You get PS when there isn’t much profit and when there’s good leverage, ie now. In CBA1 negotiations the excuse was there was too much profit and it needed to be gotten in a downturn without as much profitability. Had to secure a framework and CBA and scope…but we would for sure get them next time. At this point there’s a very clear industry standard range for PS. AA’s AIP brought them up to standard. B6 will be the only ones not getting it. But yeah, enjoy getting ‘em next time. There will always be an excuse for your type to justify not getting parity with something. I’ve seen it my entire decade at this place. We’ll get ‘em next time!!!

 

Alaska’s “PS” pays out even with no profit. So you’re good with rates in a contract extension that put you behind their guaranteed compensation while also being 15 minutes behind in ADG? Awesome.

 

Not sure if it’s intentional but you’re making my point for me….I’m saying don’t assume we’ll be in a better bargaining position in 2024.

As for your honest question, there’s no way for me to answer that without effectively bargaining in public. I will just reiterate that I view profit sharing as a foundational provision that this company desperately needs because the current incentive structure does not work. Did you notice that our stock was downgraded yesterday? And that it’s been in single digits for months? Operationally we are a clown show and it doesn’t matter how much hiring they do, there is no incentive to do more than the bare minimum, at any level in the company. We can only fight our own battles but if we get profit sharing, I believe over time the company will have no choice but to offer it to other employee groups. It is a force multiplier and it requires a bit of vision.

I don’t know how long you’ve been here but I remember a time when we actually received decent profit sharing checks. And we were profitable, go figure.

 

I’ve been here long enough to remember the PS checks.

Honest question to all of you—

why don’t you ask your reps why they unanimously sent this to the pilot group? As you said, the comms mentioned that they are trying really hard for profit sharing.

so, why did the NC decide to sent this out without PS and why did all the reps unanimously vote to send it to us?

 

Because, unfortunately, B6ALPA accurately reflects our low self worth pilot group. This will pass easily. We literally just have away scope for free.

Once we merge with Spirit our days of reaching for more will be gone. We will never get PS here because the chants of "but we can now drop to zero" will echo through the conversation and that will be that.

 

NK here
I've watched you bash us repeatedly through this thread. I truly hope I can say that you're wrong, but I'm not sure just yet. We'll have to see how our vote shakes down in a month. Sadly, it seems that each day that passes sees more rationalization of our TA with "But... it's all they can afford."
Everyone cried "We'll get 'em next time" last time. Well guess what...

No, I have not watched the roadshow presentation yet. I plan to as soon as I can. I doubt my mind will be changed.

 

I think I’m worth a lot, actually.

I do think this will pass easily. I think in the pilot group this will pass 80/20…. Maybe 70/30.

I’m very sorry you don’t think B6alpa represents you well. I hope you tell your reps this. They need that feedback.

most of all, I hope you think more of our pilot group and your peers and coworkers. It’s so easy to say no, and be frustrated on an internet message board….. much harder to say what you mean and what you are feeling in real life.

good luck to you.

 

Our peers get good payrates AND profit sharing.

 

right.

why not tell your reps this? Why not tell the NC this?

I’m just a line pilot trying to breakup the groupthink. But it seems like the MEC/NC really let you down. You should tell them.

 

As a Frontier pilot, I take offense