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01-11-2023 | 12:07 AM
#681
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You can only compare years you both have a scale for. Yours is for 2 years I believe, so you have to compare it to the dos+1 at AAG & DAL, not their year 4 rates.
It is likely that you will have these rates 3 or 4 years from now, but that doesn't make your use of their end rates a valid comparison. Clear?
It is likely that you will have these rates 3 or 4 years from now, but that doesn't make your use of their end rates a valid comparison. Clear?
01-12-2023 | 05:20 PM
#682
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65% of NKs group just voted yes to, by any measure, an absolutely abysmal TA in todays climate.
If you think our JCBA will have meaningful profit sharing, or raise the bar in any way with them as a part of it, you are crazy.
Now is our last chance. Not in two years. Now.
Vote NO. We will never have a better opportunity.
If you think our JCBA will have meaningful profit sharing, or raise the bar in any way with them as a part of it, you are crazy.
Now is our last chance. Not in two years. Now.
Vote NO. We will never have a better opportunity.
01-12-2023 | 05:40 PM
#683
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65% of NKs group just voted yes to, by any measure, an absolutely abysmal TA in todays climate.
If you think our JCBA will have meaningful profit sharing, or raise the bar in any way with them as a part of it, you are crazy.
Now is our last chance. Not in two years. Now.
Vote NO. We will never have a better opportunity.
If you think our JCBA will have meaningful profit sharing, or raise the bar in any way with them as a part of it, you are crazy.
Now is our last chance. Not in two years. Now.
Vote NO. We will never have a better opportunity.
thumpers seem clueless. Have you been to roadshow? Talked to ANY of your reps? I’m not saying I l love this TA or that we don’t deserve PS, but this sh!t I see posted on this forum is completely detached from reality. When I get bored and feel like typing more, I’ll give my reasonings for leaning yes. It has to do with proper context and this being a very unique situation we happen to be in. This would also be the first thing I’ve voted yes to since I’ve been at JB.
01-12-2023 | 07:23 PM
#684
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Except that I do. A bad contract anyone flying A320s or 737s is bad for us all.
The fact that NKS pilots didn't believe that they were worth in excess of CURRENT legacy rates cheapens the profession for all of us.
You have to consider the current climate. And the fact is that we are worth so much more now. And that inflation has been terrible. And that others in professions with similar responsibility, training, and licensure requirements are paid so much more...
01-12-2023 | 07:25 PM
#685
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Dude you’re high if you think this opportunity is better than the JCBA. Honestly, most of you chest
thumpers seem clueless. Have you been to roadshow? Talked to ANY of your reps? I’m not saying I l love this TA or that we don’t deserve PS, but this sh!t I see posted on this forum is completely detached from reality. When I get bored and feel like typing more, I’ll give my reasonings for leaning yes. It has to do with proper context and this being a very unique situation we happen to be in. This would also be the first thing I’ve voted yes to since I’ve been at JB.
thumpers seem clueless. Have you been to roadshow? Talked to ANY of your reps? I’m not saying I l love this TA or that we don’t deserve PS, but this sh!t I see posted on this forum is completely detached from reality. When I get bored and feel like typing more, I’ll give my reasonings for leaning yes. It has to do with proper context and this being a very unique situation we happen to be in. This would also be the first thing I’ve voted yes to since I’ve been at JB.
01-12-2023 | 07:52 PM
#686
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You’re high if you think you’ll magically get PS, pay, work rules, and everything else in the JCBA. When the company needs a deal more than the pilots due to the hiring/attrition environment, that’s when you have leverage. Let’s circle back in 4 years and revisit this.
01-12-2023 | 08:27 PM
#688
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From previous posts I know you’ve been at the blue for a while, so it’s even more amazing to see this level of ignorance and naïveté. This pilot group has never taken any ground when leverage was greatest, never. Our MEC is the weakest I’ve ever seen in nearly 20 yrs of Alpa membership. We are headed into possible merger negotiations with CK at the helm and I’m seriously losing sleep. We’ve already seen how sad and pitiful the Spirit group is, so if we don’t draw a hard line in the sand now, I guarantee we don’t achieve anywhere near parity to the big 4. Please have some gumption now, let’s show the Spirit group what not being cowards looks like.
01-12-2023 | 09:25 PM
#689
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From previous posts I know you’ve been at the blue for a while, so it’s even more amazing to see this level of ignorance and naïveté. This pilot group has never taken any ground when leverage was greatest, never. Our MEC is the weakest I’ve ever seen in nearly 20 yrs of Alpa membership. We are headed into possible merger negotiations with CK at the helm and I’m seriously losing sleep. We’ve already seen how sad and pitiful the Spirit group is, so if we don’t draw a hard line in the sand now, I guarantee we don’t achieve anywhere near parity to the big 4. Please have some gumption now, let’s show the Spirit group what not being cowards looks like.
surely you can advocate for your side of an issue without calling your fellows cowards, rat b@stards, etc? Can’t you?
01-12-2023 | 10:14 PM
#690
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From previous posts I know you’ve been at the blue for a while, so it’s even more amazing to see this level of ignorance and naïveté. This pilot group has never taken any ground when leverage was greatest, never. Our MEC is the weakest I’ve ever seen in nearly 20 yrs of Alpa membership. We are headed into possible merger negotiations with CK at the helm and I’m seriously losing sleep. We’ve already seen how sad and pitiful the Spirit group is, so if we don’t draw a hard line in the sand now, I guarantee we don’t achieve anywhere near parity to the big 4. Please have some gumption now, let’s show the Spirit group what not being cowards looks like.
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