if you vote Yes to this TA - you clearly hate money.

 

I have spoken to our negotiators and I firmly believe they have been compromised in some way. They parrot F & H talking points, like they have internalized them.

What is the process for recalling them?

 

No need, I’m a yes as well. Let’s enjoy some $$ before we get to the real neg. jCBA.

 

You mean you don’t want to be the highest paid narrow body airline in the world? ….. wt f…

 

Care to explain???

 

A no vote = enjoy more money now when you lay your self-worth out on the table and tell the company you’re not worth less than an Alaska pilot and won’t vote for such a low-ball agreement. With all the low self-worth bluebelles at JB (and apparently also at NK), I’m sure you’ll get ‘em next time though! Ask your fatty driver bros at real airlines how they would vote if they were given a TA with these trash rates, no PS, 5 hours a day, and no 401k improvement. They’d recall their entire MEC and NC. JetBlue pilots would too if they had any self-worth.

 

Alaska pilots rates plus their PS / bonus = more than jetblue rates. This TA puts jetblue solidly behind alaska, and lightyears behind DAL, and UA/AA won’t be far off of DL. And Alaska got 5:15 a day and a 401k snap up. And their pay rate snap up is after JetBlue’s, so they will end up higher with rates alone while you’re still slugging it out in JCBA negotiations that the union thinks will be quick and easy in their fairytale land but will likely be 4-5 years. But good luck thinking you’ll be the highest paid narrowbody pilot in the world.

 

Curious as to why the keyboard warriors here keep comparing this short term extension (which is what they told us they were doing), to full blown CBA’s that took years to negotiate? They really should publish what the survey results were, so you can just be mad at those responses instead of the negotiators. Even though you’d likely not believe the results anyway.

 

So what you are saying is that you would like to get a 50 year contract with 1%/year, so you can say you top out at over $500?

PSA: just compare DOS rates, otherwise the longer the contract, the better it looks.......

 

Again, this isn’t going to be as short term as you think it is. As for polling data, it was stale. Every pilot I have asked said they’d have different answers today than when they were last polled given the market change. And yeah, the NC says they adjusted their ask according to the market changing, but there’s just no way that’s entirely accurate. And lastly with regard to polling data, there was zero education by the union on this new world in which we are living. A couple years ago $300 sounded great. $330 sounded impossible for narrowbody. People just haven’t quite adjusted mentally. There’s also zero education by the union on the value of profit sharing and how far behind B6 is in that regard (especially when you consider Alaska makes 5-10% historically, even if the company isn’t profitable), so it polled very low.

And I’m not comparing anything to a full blown contract extension. I didn’t even touch in the QOL items needing to be fixed. I’m generally comparing only 2 of the 3 items they said they were negotiating: pay and profit sharing—both of which fall short. They added a few random items, so items like 5:15 ADG that are now standard at the rest of the peer set could have also been added imo though.

In a 3 item negotiation, they fell short on the main 2 out of 3 sections they negotiated. But you think they will somehow get not only that, but also the QOL stuff in a JCBA? Hilarious.

Enjoy your “short term” contract extension. Enjoy being 6/6. Don’t spend all your profit sharing check all in one place. Put a reminder in your phone to revisit this post in 3 years and let me know how that JCBA negotiation and short term contract is working out for you.