You are leaving higher hourly rate and PS on the table. You would more than make up for the money lost even while negotiating a JCBA in 2024, 2025 and 2026. I called reps, I went to the roadshow. Don't just assume that because I'm here disagreeing with your stance, means I'm not informed. 1 rep told me that if they were to create PS comparison table, they would have to be telling stories as to why and having to explain everything. I mean, how else will you educate everyone? Meanwhile another said "The polls on PS are low because most of these pilots coming in are from regional/charter that don't have PS so they don't know the value of it"

So our union leaders won't educate even when they know our pilots don't know the value of it. But no worries, they'll keep telling us the poll data on PS is low.

The bare minimum they could've emailed out pertaining to PS was to tell our own story of Profit Sharing. Give figures on what everyone got BEFORE the CLIFF was added. Maybe even going forward (2023), send an email every year of what we would get each year with our formula WITHOUT a cliff. After all that, tell me where PS would be on the polling data come negotiation time.

 

Oh and talking about time value of money, you wouldn't know what was on the table if the union didn't agree to the TA last year. We would be plugging along in a labor dispute. In that case, what would you be calculating?

 

Hard to quantify. The best we can do is make an educated guess. I never called you misinformed. If PS is the hill you wanna die on at this very moment, I can respect that. We’d need to take into account what sending this back would do to our timeline. In other words, money we’ve left on the table while we negotiate for more…versus what gains we could make from that negotiating period. Meanwhile they will keep filling 20-30 person classes with fresh ATP’s. If you think they can’t do that, you’re mistaken. Maybe you have reps resign? Maybe the company decides, you know what, it’s summer, we can just roll with what we’ve got until spring. These are all real possibilities. But let’s say we get PS. Will that equate to what we’ve left on the table while negotiating? From a company that is barely turning out a profit, who’s stock was just downgraded a few weeks ago? We all have to make the most informed decision we can. I’m comfortable with my stance and taking this into the JCBA.
One other point you alluded to that is 100% accurate: this pilot group does not understand or value the monetary value of profit sharing…that falls solely on our MEC.

 

Cowardly it is to vote in such a way which retards the industry. I don’t relish the thought of hitching my wagon to another 2000 (~2/3 of the pilot group at spirit that voted yes) lemmings. I had greater hope for the spirit guys and am disappointed. We already have plenty uninformed lemmings here. Outside of that vote perhaps none of these labels apply, but in regards to your vote they do.

 

You are entitled to your opinion - just as those who voted for the TA are entitled to theirs. That does not make you reckless, greedy, or hateful, nor does it make them cowards. Their values are different than yours in a relatively minor issue.

 

Even for a company barely making profit in January 2022, if we had gotten PS now, we would still make up for what's left on the table, due to time in bargaining, and then some within 5 yrs vs not having it for atleast the next 5 to 10 years (Yes I do believe we still won't get PS in JCBA even though I will still vote no if its not in there)

That's how much PS is valuable.

 

Respectfully if they can fill the classes why in the world would they agree to this? Is the company just doing us a favour (Robbin H spelling)

You kind of just argued against yourself.

 

valueable enough for the company to REFUSE to give it to us.

 

And yet Delta is about to pay out 2 months worth of salary in profit sharing to its pilots. Tell me again how “we’ll get ‘em next time” will help us by “not leaving money on the table now”?

 

see the company won’t refuse next time. The refused last time they refused this time but next time well.

I honestly don’t think we will get it in the JCBA. That thing will be a mess and the spirit guys (no offense) look like they will sell their kids to save drop to zero. We want better healthcare no in base layovers and such. PS will be low on the list again. And if we don’t get it there we will never have it, especially with the current management philosophy.