What Desdi said. No one has an idea what "red eye plus 1" is. But no same day starts are allowed unless you choose to.

Speaking of redeyes, what are Spirit's redeye rules?

JB:
25.A.7 (planning):
Duty period with a flight segment that touches the redeye period shall not exceed 10 hours
Duty period with a segment departing between 0000-0500 base time shall have 16 hours rest prior and 14 hours rest following
12.B:
Duty period in which a pilot operates touching the redeye period (0100-0500) shall not exceed 12 hours
Pilot may not operate flight after completing a segment that transits more than two hours of the redeye period
Base report before 1700 precludes pilot from operating a flight that departs in the redeye period
11 hours min rest before/after duty period scheduled/actual in the redeye period

Honestly it would be nice to just have a full copy of the SPA contract to thumb through. Is it available on the ALPA site?

 

I mean, ya know, it's pretty much verbatim from the contract and fairly self explanatory...

 

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F, is it just me?

 

No, I’m clueless too. Is it prohibiting a segment after you’ve operated in the 0200-0459 timeframe?

 

I think it's saying no more than 1 beer after operating a flight between 0200-0459?

Who wrote that contract, Willy Wonka?

 

JayBee,

Are you honestly expecting us to know your NK contact definitions? Then holding it against us that we don‘r? How the ******* is your “25 A 1 a” supposed to mean anything to me until you politely explain to me what’s in it? Do you think we have the same reference? We don’t ……..because it’s a different CBA! I thought you were trying to be constructive as were we. We were here in this thread to learn, but apparently you already expect and demand we already retroactively know the finer points of your NK CBA LOL!

If you truly wanted a constructive comparison you’d reference these terms (again everyones CBA is different) with your definitions (without being a snarky condescending asshat) in your section 2 because naturally those phrases are not in our section 2, that’s why we are asking.

I as a JB pilot had no idea what a “Redeye +1” is, nor should I, because that is nowhere in MY CBA!

FFS, way to be constructive, in one fell swoop you’ve turned every B6 guy/gal against you in your ignorant arrogance!

What all of us were simply asking was the plain NK SECTION 2 DEFINITIONS of “redeye +1” and “same day start” without attitude, simply because WE DONT HAVE THOSE F’ing TERMS in our CBA!

 

Except for rules governing extending/working into a day off. 12:45, 4am… who knows when a B6 reserve is actually supposed to be released or get extra pay?

 

After six years on the rez I’d say I know.

 

They’re hitting a homerun and we’ll pay for it via SLI. Second go round for me. Mark this as your warning. Nothing good will come.

 

25.R.7.j says 0300