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Old 02-09-2024 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Yep, that isn't proper oversight, and look what happened.

Have you watched the Netflix documentary "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing"?
yeah point being the GOVERNMENT allowed for it.
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Old 02-10-2024 | 07:06 AM
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yeah point being the GOVERNMENT allowed for it.
You mean the government didn't do proper oversight (I agree) and the private company without proper supervision killed 300 people and would have killed more if the government didn't step in and shut it down? Boeing was still maintaining that the problem was the third world airline operators, even though those airlines were on the record with Boeing being concerned about the MCAS (Mass-Casualty) system.

I ask again, have you seen the Netflix documentary "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing"?
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Old 02-10-2024 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You mean the government didn't do proper oversight (I agree) and the private company without proper supervision killed 300 people and would have killed more if the government didn't step in and shut it down? Boeing was still maintaining that the problem was the third world airline operators, even though those airlines were on the record with Boeing being concerned about the MCAS (Mass-Casualty) system.

I ask again, have you seen the Netflix documentary "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing"?
That's a Bingo
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Old 02-12-2024 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You mean the government didn't do proper oversight (I agree) and the private company without proper supervision killed 300 people and would have killed more if the government didn't step in and shut it down? Boeing was still maintaining that the problem was the third world airline operators, even though those airlines were on the record with Boeing being concerned about the MCAS (Mass-Casualty) system.

I ask again, have you seen the Netflix documentary "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing"?
Both those crashes were pilot error . They mishandled a problem. Yes, was very chaotic but anybody who has any experience in that plane would shut off that massive spinning annoying wheel in 2 seconds. Yes,mcas should 100% of been disclosed and discussed but it was no different then trim runaway.
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Old 02-12-2024 | 12:19 PM
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Both those crashes were pilot error . They mishandled a problem. Yes, was very chaotic but anybody who has any experience in that plane would shut off that massive spinning annoying wheel in 2 seconds. Yes,mcas should 100% of been disclosed and discussed but it was no different then trim runaway.
Yeah. Longest airliner grounding in history because of pilot error. Sure.
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Old 02-12-2024 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
Both those crashes were pilot error . They mishandled a problem. Yes, was very chaotic but anybody who has any experience in that plane would shut off that massive spinning annoying wheel in 2 seconds. Yes,mcas should 100% of been disclosed and discussed but it was no different then trim runaway.
What percentage of crashes aren't pilot error?
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Old 02-12-2024 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
Both those crashes were pilot error . They mishandled a problem. Yes, was very chaotic but anybody who has any experience in that plane would shut off that massive spinning annoying wheel in 2 seconds. Yes,mcas should 100% of been disclosed and discussed but it was no different then trim runaway.
Tell us you haven't seen the Netflix documentary "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing" without telling us you haven't seen it....

Or, you weren't intelligent enough to comprehend the internal Boeing emails that show you are dead wrong...

Either way, yikes.
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Old 02-12-2024 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You mean the government didn't do proper oversight (I agree) and the private company without proper supervision killed 300 people and would have killed more if the government didn't step in and shut it down? Boeing was still maintaining that the problem was the third world airline operators, even though those airlines were on the record with Boeing being concerned about the MCAS (Mass-Casualty) system.

I ask again, have you seen the Netflix documentary "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing"?

yes that’s why I said you need a balance. This isn’t some major argument relax.

since I know you…..balance like Boeing is allowed to be a private/public company but also has proper oversight from the government.

Seems in the max case as well as others Boeing failed and the FAA failed

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Old 02-12-2024 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
yes that’s why I said you need a balance. This isn’t some major argument relax.

since I know you…..balance like Boeing is allowed to be a private/public company but also has proper oversight from the government.

Seems in the max case as well as others Boeing failed and the FAA failed
But this conversation started when it was suggested the government regulators were a big part of the problem in this industry. This industry won't work without them. You can say the FAA failed, and I agree, but they failed by not regulating (oversight) Boeing enough. Boeing keeps showing us it can't be left unsupervised. Plenty of airlines have tried to show us as well.

All good.
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Old 02-13-2024 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Tell us you haven't seen the Netflix documentary "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing" without telling us you haven't seen it....

Or, you weren't intelligent enough to comprehend the internal Boeing emails that show you are dead wrong...

Either way, yikes.
Tell me your are smart enough to realize the document was completely jaded. Why don't you use one of your 2 brain cells and read the accident reports and tell me it wasnt pilot error.

The captain 31 times trimming and and stopping mcas before not saying a word about doing that and hands controls to fo and goes heads down. Or the second one flying a takeoff power for 5 minutes before hitting the ground. Are you a student pilot posting??
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