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Old 02-14-2024 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I have had two de-ice occurrences that were so unreal, they would sound made up. You will get no argument from me on running a tight de-ice ship.

Are you saying your opinion is that the merger decision will be reversed? Or did I read your opinion incorrectly?

I agree, Pratt and it's suppliers have made a mess of JetBlue's growth plans. And I have no illusions about our new "investor" or our CBA prospects in the short term.

As for the order, I still think it is highly likely it was placed by JB, likely contingent on the NK outcome, and was part of a package deal that included revising the delivery schedule for our previous order book. I never claimed to be 100% positive, but I remain fairly convinced. I also reserve the right to be wrong on this one. And will admit I was if another airline claims the order. Until then, we wait. I was wrong that one time before...
What I said was we need an over turn to get anything for ourselves. If it’s not overturned we’ll be in Section 6 for 3 to 4 years otherwise. I do think that Judge Young made a mistake and feel it could be overturned by the panel of three. I don’t see how both the Merger and NEA arguably opposite opinions on who our company is and how it effects the industry can both be blocked, but no one asked me except you.
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Old 02-14-2024 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
What I said was we need an over turn to get anything for ourselves. If it’s not overturned we’ll be in Section 6 for 3 to 4 years otherwise. I do think that Judge Young made a mistake and feel it could be overturned by the panel of three. I don’t see how both the Merger and NEA arguably opposite opinions on who our company is and how it effects the industry can both be blocked, but no one asked me except you.
Have to agree.
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Old 02-14-2024 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
What I said was we need an over turn to get anything for ourselves. If it’s not overturned we’ll be in Section 6 for 3 to 4 years otherwise. I do think that Judge Young made a mistake and feel it could be overturned by the panel of three. I don’t see how both the Merger and NEA arguably opposite opinions on who our company is and how it effects the industry can both be blocked, but no one asked me except you.
3-4 years? You won’t see a new CBA (unless it’s concessionary) until Uncle Carl is out of the picture. Much higher likelihood it’ll be JCBA negotiations before then, which is probably the best B6 pilots can hope for at this point anyway.
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Old 02-15-2024 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Have to agree.
I can see the Order with contingency idea.
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Old 02-15-2024 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by I was inverted
3-4 years? You won’t see a new CBA (unless it’s concessionary) until Uncle Carl is out of the picture. Much higher likelihood it’ll be JCBA negotiations before then, which is probably the best B6 pilots can hope for at this point anyway.
Well hello there. I said 3-4 years just two weeks ago to a guy in personal conversation and he looked at me like I had two heads. So I guess I’ll revise to say Atleast being my most positive outlook. I agree that the JCBA is best we could hope for at the moment.
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Old 02-15-2024 | 07:44 AM
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Well hello there. I said 3-4 years just two weeks ago to a guy in personal conversation and he looked at me like I had two heads. So I guess I’ll revise to say Atleast being my most positive outlook. I agree that the JCBA is best we could hope for at the moment.
JCBA with who? I thimk unfortantely there is no shot with the Appeal being overturned.....
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Old 02-15-2024 | 07:56 AM
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JCBA with who? I thimk unfortantely there is no shot with the Appeal being overturned.....
According to the ‘paid experts’ with agendas. Come on, it’ll be overturned or not based on who’s on what side.

Have faith, corruption swings both ways.
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Old 02-15-2024 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
JCBA with who? I thimk unfortantely there is no shot with the Appeal being overturned.....
”What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!...It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!...”
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Old 02-15-2024 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
”What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!...It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!...”
Haha. I really hope so. Would be incredible but I we folks at Spirit don't have that kind of luck...
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Old 02-15-2024 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
JCBA with who? I thimk unfortantely there is no shot with the Appeal being overturned.....
Spirit deal is mostly dead regardless of the result of the appeal. There will likely be a new DOJ less than a year from now. And if it’s a Trump DOJ, they will not bat an eye if Icahn wants to sell jetblue to another carrier. If it’s another corrupt leftist DOJ, B6 can still be sold to Alaska with little DOJ resistance. I think that’s the most likely scenario regardless of the election results, but there are more options for Icahn if Trump wins.
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