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Old Yesterday | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
I can’t understand your incessant need to keep posting here.

He needs to remind us he knows everything. Now he is an expert in bankruptcy. Never mind the history of airlines that went bankrupt and merged such as (quick google search)


Key Airlines that Bankrupted and Merged (Post-2000s):
  • US Airways: Filed for bankruptcy twice (2002, 2004) before merging with America West in 2005, and later merging with American Airlines in 2013.
  • Continental Airlines: Bankrupted twice (1983, 1990) before eventually merging with United Airlines in 2010.
  • Northwest Airlines: Filed for bankruptcy in 2005 and merged with Delta Air Lines in 2008.
  • AirTran Airways: Acquired by Southwest Airlines in 2011 following financial pressure.
  • American Airlines (AMR Corporation): Filed for Chapter 11 in 2011 and merged with US Airways in 2013.
  • United Airlines (UAL Corp): Filed for bankruptcy in 2002, emerging in 2006 before merging with Continental.

Now I understand United isn’t on that list oh wait……

Right I guess BK never ever leads to a merger.
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Old Yesterday | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Southwest has about $3B in cash. United has the most ($16B) but has already passed.

They passed what?
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Old Yesterday | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
I can’t understand your incessant need to keep posting here.
Well, a lot of people here seem to think United is secretly in cahoots with you all and wants to buy you.
I presume he's a United pilot explaining why that doesn't make sense.
If you really think B6 is in trouble, get out NOW! Don't wait for a hopeful merger. I waited too long at NK and lost tons of seniority where I am now as a result. If you think B6 will be fine (and I hope it will be), stay and enjoy your life. I would have some cash savings just in case the **** does hit the fan.
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Old Yesterday | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by benzoate
Thats scary but I agree with you. United has quietly stepped away if they were ever truly interested and management is going to gather whatever scraps remain. The main issue I see is the Frontier model is only financially viable if the costs are low. Add JetBlues costs, and bad management, and the combined 8% of the domestic market is hardly competitive or viable. For reference, the big 4 are roughly 16-17% of the domestic market with Alaska being the outlier at around 6%. There are suggestions the Spirit customer coming to either airline could raise the percentage somewhat but will it be enough?

When did that happen?
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Old Yesterday | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Southwest has about $3B in cash. United has the most ($16B) but has already passed.
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Yes they have something billion in “shares”, that are basically cash equivalent, and it doesnt dilute the current shares. I forget the exact term for them.
WN has about 13 billion in treasury stock separate from the ~3 billion cash balance
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Old Yesterday | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
He needs to remind us he knows everything. Now he is an expert in bankruptcy. Never mind the history of airlines that went bankrupt and merged such as (quick google search)


Key Airlines that Bankrupted and Merged (Post-2000s):
  • US Airways: Filed for bankruptcy twice (2002, 2004) before merging with America West in 2005, and later merging with American Airlines in 2013.
  • Continental Airlines: Bankrupted twice (1983, 1990) before eventually merging with United Airlines in 2010.
  • Northwest Airlines: Filed for bankruptcy in 2005 and merged with Delta Air Lines in 2008.
  • AirTran Airways: Acquired by Southwest Airlines in 2011 following financial pressure.
  • American Airlines (AMR Corporation): Filed for Chapter 11 in 2011 and merged with US Airways in 2013.
  • United Airlines (UAL Corp): Filed for bankruptcy in 2002, emerging in 2006 before merging with Continental.

Now I understand United isn’t on that list oh wait……

Right I guess BK never ever leads to a merger.
Don’t forget NWA and DAL filed on the same day in Sep 14th 2005 and exited roughly one month apart in 2007.
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Old Yesterday | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
Don’t forget NWA and DAL filed on the same day in Sep 14th 2005 and exited roughly one month apart in 2007.
They BOTH had to file before the bankruptcy laws changed.

UAL has bragging rights of the largest/longest airline bankruptcy at the time.
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Old Yesterday | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Reading people throwing around cliches like "BK will make us more attractive for a merger" or "BK will wipe out most of our debt" is just nonsense. All this was thrown around in regards to Spirit, none of it was true, and people on that forum didn't like it when I explained why Spirit wasn't going to be acquired by anybody.

And yet here we are.
Yes, here we are, so thankful you were here to explain the ways of this confusing world.
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Old Today | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
Don’t forget NWA and DAL filed on the same day in Sep 14th 2005 and exited roughly one month apart in 2007.

Correct. That is what is fascinating about friendly. I try my best to know what I am talking about but this guy just comes on and tells you the exact opposite of what we know is true. Maybe he thinks none of us were around to watch it happen real time. I know I know we are JetBlue therefore the past for us is not in prologue. (But just for us)
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Old Today | 05:10 AM
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Didn’t CAL have close to 6 billion in debt when United merged with them in 2010? Not sure what that’d be in today’s dollars but that was a hefty amount of debt as well.
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