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Old 01-12-2019, 06:03 PM   #10991  
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There it is!

LOL. we got three whole positive posts in before everything here sucks.

1100 more pages of why jb sucks now please.

I'm in the same boat as Craig, Payne, Hyper and 450. Lifes not perfect a bluejet. But it's not "breaking rocks in Afghanistan". Or the prison sentence described much of the time either.

I know guys who hate UAL as much as some hate it here. Same with AA. The grass isn't greener... it's just different grass. We've had guys come here from fedex, one guy just had the last chance to go back to UAL and stayed here. MY GOD WHY!!

and really? wide bodies? you came here and thought... some day we'll have wide bodies? give it a rest already.

Yep we have very few retirements... but we're growing, I mean stagnantly growing... not parking jets, no differals (yet right).
We'll add another 9-10% to this pilot list this year and we've steadily added a few hundred guys for the last 6-7 years. But they're secretly planning to return some 320's they'll never tell us about.

I was hired in 2008 at #2005 I'm 1760 something now and we've got 3700ish on the list. Not sure where I could have gone then to make it to 48% on the list by now but it's not UAL AA or DAL.

BD, I'm not sure what your dream airline was, I'm sorry it's not here.
That's some serious BS Cool. With respect.

Dudes hate it at UAL and AA?!? We're PILOTS! Of course they are going to bttch. But I'd rather bttch with pay and benefits that isn't bottom of peerset?

Can you seriously not understand that distinction?

Then you ask where you could have gone, in 2008, to get better career progression? WFCs! That's not the question at hand right now. The discussion is about dudes getting hired today and whether getting hired here now is as good of an opportunity as getting hired by those at the top of our peerset. Can someone get hired now with your 2008 seniority? No.

And complaining that there wasn't enough positive posts about BlueJet?!? Why do you need that?

My seniority number isn't that far behind yours, so it doesn't make much sense for me to leave. Plus it's quite a painful process to start over, which you know full well. What I want is for JB to find it's rudder, find some leadership SOMEWHERE, and realize it's potential for the benefit of all of us. Stop the FAKE culture and to get off the bottom of the peerset in comp, bennies and work rules.
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:34 PM   #10992  
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It's not perfect but where is? What does that even mean?

We ARE at the bottom of our peerset. And no retirements, no widebodies, no leadership, no rudder and slow growing.

That's not a great combination. Yes, this isn't busting rocks in Afghanistan, but is THAT the right comparison?
Switch the coasts around, and this sounds just like us at the other blue and white carrier.

Jetblue played the cards in 2016 but lost the bidding war. It’s clear they’re interested in areas they realize are lacking (eg, west coast, maybe Europe long term). They showed their chips and didn’t win, most likely next time around there won’t be any bidding war. Whoever it is, it’ll just happen and be announced in the news. We both feel the same in regards to a lack of rudder for our respective carrier, but at least with B6 you know they’re looking to buy/merge - and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
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What I want is for JB to find it's rudder, find some leadership SOMEWHERE, and realize it's potential for the benefit of all of us. Stop the FAKE culture and to get off the bottom of the peerset in comp, bennies and work rules.

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Old 01-13-2019, 05:33 AM   #10994  
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Switch the coasts around, and this sounds just like us at the other blue and white carrier.

Jetblue played the cards in 2016 but lost the bidding war. It’s clear they’re interested in areas they realize are lacking (eg, west coast, maybe Europe long term). They showed their chips and didn’t win, most likely next time around there won’t be any bidding war. Whoever it is, it’ll just happen and be announced in the news. We both feel the same in regards to a lack of rudder for our respective carrier, but at least with B6 you know they’re looking to buy/merge - and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
I still think Alaska, Jetblue, Hawaiian merger makes strong competition against the big three. Hardest decision would be picking a name.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:33 AM   #10995  
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That's some serious BS Cool. With respect.

Dudes hate it at UAL and AA?!? We're PILOTS! Of course they are going to bttch. But I'd rather bttch with pay and benefits that isn't bottom of peerset?

Can you seriously not understand that distinction?

Then you ask where you could have gone, in 2008, to get better career progression? WFCs! That's not the question at hand right now. The discussion is about dudes getting hired today and whether getting hired here now is as good of an opportunity as getting hired by those at the top of our peerset. Can someone get hired now with your 2008 seniority? No.

And complaining that there wasn't enough positive posts about BlueJet?!? Why do you need that?

My seniority number isn't that far behind yours, so it doesn't make much sense for me to leave. Plus it's quite a painful process to start over, which you know full well. What I want is for JB to find it's rudder, find some leadership SOMEWHERE, and realize it's potential for the benefit of all of us. Stop the FAKE culture and to get off the bottom of the peerset in comp, bennies and work rules.

I'm no bluehero, and I'm not looking for a happy happy joy joy, or a cup and tickle. It's the false negatives and the "honesty" that I find annoying when guys are looking for legit intel while trying to make a decision.
I have no issues calling out the legit BS and I think I've been pretty fair in that aspect over the years.

We are in full agreement with jb finding it's rudder and the culture. It's a bítch board and we come here to get it out. However some of the arguments here imo are baseless.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:14 AM   #10996  
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Some of us are too high up the list here with established lives that make starting over at 0 difficult.
So you're saying going to a legacy, with retirements, widebodies, rudders, etc, is "starting over at 0".

Are you saying that there's a place on JB's list that is better than the bottom of a legacy's list? Are you saying that, depending on a person's situation (someone with your seniority for instance), JB is actually a better option than going to a legacy?
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:15 AM   #10997  
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I'm no bluehero, and I'm not looking for a happy happy joy joy, or a cup and tickle. It's the false negatives and the "honesty" that I find annoying when guys are looking for legit intel while trying to make a decision.
I have no issues calling out the legit BS and I think I've been pretty fair in that aspect over the years.

We are in full agreement with jb finding it's rudder and the culture. It's a bítch board and we come here to get it out. However some of the arguments here imo are baseless.

It is the bottom of its peer set in QOL/affordable domiciles/pay/varied flying/movement/job security.

Other than that it's great here.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:58 AM   #10998  
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So you're saying going to a legacy, with retirements, widebodies, rudders, etc, is "starting over at 0".

Are you saying that there's a place on JB's list that is better than the bottom of a legacy's list? Are you saying that, depending on a person's situation (someone with your seniority for instance), JB is actually a better option than going to a legacy?
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:13 AM   #10999  
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There it is!

LOL. we got three whole positive posts in before everything here sucks.

1100 more pages of why jb sucks now please.

I'm in the same boat as Craig, Payne, Hyper and 450. Lifes not perfect a bluejet. But it's not "breaking rocks in Afghanistan". Or the prison sentence described much of the time either.

I know guys who hate UAL as much as some hate it here. Same with AA. The grass isn't greener... it's just different grass. We've had guys come here from fedex, one guy just had the last chance to go back to UAL and stayed here. MY GOD WHY!!

and really? wide bodies? you came here and thought... some day we'll have wide bodies? give it a rest already.

Yep we have very few retirements... but we're growing, I mean stagnantly growing... not parking jets, no differals (yet right).
We'll add another 9-10% to this pilot list this year and we've steadily added a few hundred guys for the last 6-7 years. But they're secretly planning to return some 320's they'll never tell us about.

I was hired in 2008 at #2005 I'm 1760 something now and we've got 3700ish on the list. Not sure where I could have gone then to make it to 48% on the list by now but it's not UAL AA or DAL.

BD, I'm not sure what your dream airline was, I'm sorry it's not here.
48% at a real Major gives you a choice of narrow-body line holding Captain or Senior wide-body First Officer. Any position will make you more money than senior JetBlue pilot.

BTW. As far I know, we are the only airline in the United States that makes their employees pay for business class seat. While, it might seem like a deal breaker, this is a big indicator of how JetBlue management "values" its employees.
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:18 AM   #11000  
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48% at a real Major gives you a choice of narrow-body line holding Captain or Senior wide-body First Officer. Any position will make you more money than senior JetBlue pilot.

BTW. As far I know, we are the only airline in the United States that makes their employees pay for business class seat. While, it might seem like a deal breaker, this is a big indicator of how JetBlue management "values" its employees.
If American is not still doing this, they were in the recent past.

American and Continental both made their employees pay to non rev in coach by leg.
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