If I plan on commuting from Nevada, should I bid BOS220 or JFK 190? Assuming LAX 320 doesn’t work out.

 

190 is going to get you off reserve the quickest. Commuting to a line is much better than commuting to reserve imo… then in a year switch over to the 220 when we have a lot more on property and you should be able to hold a line on the 220 and get the pay increase

 

You sure 190/Jfk will get you off reserve quicker than A220? Especially whenever this new-hire starts, all the 190 new-hire training events that have taken place since we began hiring again.

I’d just go whatever was the easier commute.

 

Personally, I’d suggest JFK320.

 

Can someone share the DOH for most junior line holders for JFK 190/320 as of now? Trying to make a decision very soon

 

jfk 320 looks like a 09/2021 hire
jfk 190 looks like a 09/2021 hire as well

 

Here’s one thing you gotta keep in mind before reading my post: there’s a supplemental bid coming out in 3 days. Nobody knows what will be in it or what the effective date(s) will be. So the info I post below does not include it. If you start while it’s open (next 3 weeks) you can bid in it, respecting seat locks—so if you can only get JFK320 in your initial drop/bid sheet, you can bid LAX320 in this supplemental. But there will be e190 guys senior to you who will go to the 220/320 on this supplemental bid, especially after the last announcement. So, unless they shrink the total 190 seats from the last bid to this bid (unlikely until the 2023 annual bid imo), 190 movement for newhires will increase, and 220/320 movement will decrease slightly from current projections using the last annual bid.

With all that in mind, below is the number of FOs in each seat who are currently on property and will be in the seat as of the 12/2/2022 effective date from the last bid. Again, this bid will change these numbers, and they don’t account for attrition of the people on property currently filling these seats…

JFK190FO: 94, need 140 (56 more newhires this year)
JFK320FO: 534, need 699 (165 more newhires this year)
BOS220FO: 93, need 130 (37 more newhires this year)
BOS190FO: 178, need 263 (85 more newhires this year)
LAX320FO: 139, need 176 (37 more newhires this year)

Rumor I’ve heard is LAX will grow a little more on this bid, as they need more bodies in the base. B6 is taking 1 more 220 this year than planned, so they’ll probably bump the total 220 seats by 7-10 in each seat if I had to guess.

What may happen is, depending on seat locks, guys who are on the 190 may bounce on this bid, so the above numbers may shift to needing more newhires/more movement in the 190 and fewer in 220/320 than what the above shows. Or they could shrink 190 total seats. We will find out in 3 days and I can update accordingly, though it won’t do a ton of good until the bid closes and we see who moves out.

You didn’t specify LAS, but LAS-JFK has a lot more flights than LAS-BOS. And if you go JFK320, you can trade to LAX or bid it in the next bid. If you go 190/220, you’ll be stuck for a year.

Short answer: if you’re staying in Nevada, bid LAX320, then JFK320 next. If you don’t get either of those, it’s a toss up. I heard a rumor that there is a lot of hiring going on at airlines with larger west coast presences too. Can’t say for sure if that rumor is true though.

 

Thank you for this.

 

After the supp bid, it will give a more clearer picture of what new hires can expect for the rest of the year. Last I heard from schoolhouse they are shooting for 700+ new hires... how? I don't know.

 

Train 700, keep 350 😃