jetBlue Hiring
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Currently about to hit my one year at United and to say the grass is not always greener on the other side is an understatement. I have been having considerations of going to JetBlue as I do not care about wide body flying and would like to move to BOS (UA does not currently have a pilot BOS base). Seeking any input from the handful of pilots that I have heard about that have made the switch from a legacy to JB and your thoughts on wether it was worth it. I realize this will not be taken well from many as many are at JB to try and get to a legacy but it’s a personal choice for me when it comes to QOL and work culture. Any input would be appreciated especially those that have made this jump or turned down a legacy. TIA
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Currently about to hit my one year at United and to say the grass is not always greener on the other side is an understatement. I have been having considerations of going to JetBlue as I do not care about wide body flying and would like to move to BOS (UA does not currently have a pilot BOS base). Seeking any input from the handful of pilots that I have heard about that have made the switch from a legacy to JB and your thoughts on wether it was worth it. I realize this will not be taken well from many as many are at JB to try and get to a legacy but it’s a personal choice for me when it comes to QOL and work culture. Any input would be appreciated especially those that have made this jump or turned down a legacy. TIA
Currently about to hit my one year at United and to say the grass is not always greener on the other side is an understatement. I have been having considerations of going to JetBlue as I do not care about wide body flying and would like to move to BOS (UA does not currently have a pilot BOS base). Seeking any input from the handful of pilots that I have heard about that have made the switch from a legacy to JB and your thoughts on wether it was worth it. I realize this will not be taken well from many as many are at JB to try and get to a legacy but it’s a personal choice for me when it comes to QOL and work culture. Any input would be appreciated especially those that have made this jump or turned down a legacy. TIA
Felon background
So I’ve seen a few comments about having a felony background. Bad things happen to good people. I believe if the felony record is a first occurrence and nothing major then give them a chance. There are plenty of felonies that are blue collar and not aggravated and serious like DUI or Drug related. Everyone’s story is different and it’s up to the Airlines discretion to hire the individual based on his current character and integrity. Try not to judge someone’s past because that’s where it belongs. Remember it could happen to you. Bad things happen to good people.
So I’ve seen a few comments about having a felony background. Bad things happen to good people. I believe if the felony record is a first occurrence and nothing major then give them a chance. There are plenty of felonies that are blue collar and not aggravated and serious like DUI or Drug related. Everyone’s story is different and it’s up to the Airlines discretion to hire the individual based on his current character and integrity. Try not to judge someone’s past because that’s where it belongs. Remember it could happen to you. Bad things happen to good people.
1. Industry culture is not very tolerant of serious criminal history, the notable exception is probably DUI. Anything showing lack of character or ethics is a huge red flag, DUI or domestic violence may be heat of the moment but anything involving theft or dishonesty will be a problem. It helps if you were young, they know people mature with age but it sounds like that's not the case.
2. They are concerned with two issues:
a) Have you reformed, learned your lesson, etc. You convince them by taking FULL responsibility, tell them what you learned, that your regret your behavior, and how you're now a better person.
b) They are also concerned with how your record will reflect on the company if you get in the news media due to accident or incident. You can do nothing to *convince* them on this issue, they'll make their own decision.
3. An ATP requires that you be "of good moral character". This is nebulously defined and inconsistently enforced but a significant non-DUI felony might prevent you from holding an ATP pilot certificate.
4. You also need a 1st class medical, and they will sometimes deny those based on criminal history due to concerns about mental health (anti-social personality disorder).
5. "Bad Things Happen to Good People" is not an attitude that accepts responsibility. Most of us in and around aviation make some significant efforts to ensure that this sort of bad thing does NOT happen to us. I can 100% guarantee that you will be declined if you express a "poop happens" attitude at an interview.
It's hypothetically possible that bad things happen to good people. But it's pretty rare because in most cases you had to make some bad choices to even get into the position where something like that could happen.
1. Industry culture is not very tolerant of serious criminal history, the notable exception is probably DUI. Anything showing lack of character or ethics is a huge red flag, DUI or domestic violence may be heat of the moment but anything involving theft or dishonesty will be a problem. It helps if you were young, they know people mature with age but it sounds like that's not the case.
2. They are concerned with two issues:
a) Have you reformed, learned your lesson, etc. You convince them by taking FULL responsibility, tell them what you learned, that your regret your behavior, and how you're now a better person.
b) They are also concerned with how your record will reflect on the company if you get in the news media due to accident or incident. You can do nothing to *convince* them on this issue, they'll make their own decision.
3. An ATP requires that you be "of good moral character". This is nebulously defined and inconsistently enforced but a significant non-DUI felony might prevent you from holding an ATP pilot certificate.
4. You also need a 1st class medical, and they will sometimes deny those based on criminal history due to concerns about mental health (anti-social personality disorder).
5. "Bad Things Happen to Good People" is not an attitude that accepts responsibility. Most of us in and around aviation make some significant efforts to ensure that this sort of bad thing does NOT happen to us. I can 100% guarantee that you will be declined if you express a "poop happens" attitude at an interview.
1. Industry culture is not very tolerant of serious criminal history, the notable exception is probably DUI. Anything showing lack of character or ethics is a huge red flag, DUI or domestic violence may be heat of the moment but anything involving theft or dishonesty will be a problem. It helps if you were young, they know people mature with age but it sounds like that's not the case.
2. They are concerned with two issues:
a) Have you reformed, learned your lesson, etc. You convince them by taking FULL responsibility, tell them what you learned, that your regret your behavior, and how you're now a better person.
b) They are also concerned with how your record will reflect on the company if you get in the news media due to accident or incident. You can do nothing to *convince* them on this issue, they'll make their own decision.
3. An ATP requires that you be "of good moral character". This is nebulously defined and inconsistently enforced but a significant non-DUI felony might prevent you from holding an ATP pilot certificate.
4. You also need a 1st class medical, and they will sometimes deny those based on criminal history due to concerns about mental health (anti-social personality disorder).
5. "Bad Things Happen to Good People" is not an attitude that accepts responsibility. Most of us in and around aviation make some significant efforts to ensure that this sort of bad thing does NOT happen to us. I can 100% guarantee that you will be declined if you express a "poop happens" attitude at an interview.
Well actually it’s harder to get a 1st class with A DUI and especially domestic. The FAA lists the automatic disqualifying charges. And like I said if your obtain a 1st class medical which the AME is signing off on your good character. Then start applying. It is ultimately up to the discretion of the Airline. Gain things happen and if you think nothing will ever happen to you please rethink that thought. Where there’s a will there’s a way just be honest when applying.
So I’ve seen a few comments about having a felony background. Bad things happen to good people. I believe if the felony record is a first occurrence and nothing major then give them a chance. There are plenty of felonies that are blue collar and not aggravated and serious like DUI or Drug related. Everyone’s story is different and it’s up to the Airlines discretion to hire the individual based on his current character and integrity. Try not to judge someone’s past because that’s where it belongs. Remember it could happen to you. Bad things happen to good people.
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So I’ve seen a few comments about having a felony background. Bad things happen to good people. I believe if the felony record is a first occurrence and nothing major then give them a chance. There are plenty of felonies that are blue collar and not aggravated and serious like DUI or Drug related. Everyone’s story is different and it’s up to the Airlines discretion to hire the individual based on his current character and integrity. Try not to judge someone’s past because that’s where it belongs. Remember it could happen to you. Bad things happen to good people.
Just a bad thing that happened to him….Yeah, gtfo with that nonsense.
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2005/08/21/pilot-charged-in-attack-at-judges-home/31342281007/
“Perrys is charged with burglary of a dwelling with an assault or battery while armed and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon while wearing a mask. Penalties could range from probation to life in prison if he is convicted.Investigators said Perrys forced his way into Gulf County Judge Fred Witten's home April 12 and attacked Carolyn Lister, Perrys' former fiancee. Lister testified at a May hearing that she was beaten with a metal baton as she stepped from the shower.
She said Perrys also had a Taser but did not use it. Lister said she got past him and ran from the house, bleeding and naked, to a neighbor's home.
Perrys was wearing a bulletproof vest when arrested at Tyndall Air Force Base near Panama City, investigators said. They said a search of his vehicle turned up several knives, handcuffs, a spool of parachute cord, a shovel, gloves, glass cutters, keys to Lister's home, pepper spray and a mask.
The Air Force had considered him absent without leave from Barksdale, Lewis said.”
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