jetBlue Hiring
03-05-2022, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
the difference is that our Yogo (320) rates are the same as the big three yogo rates. We just don't have a Mercedes (wide-body) in our garage. We are loosing new hires and junior pilots that want to go fly the Mercedes and/or live near one of the big three's bases. We have along way to go and pay rates are only a small part of the attraction of a destination carrier..
03-05-2022, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
the difference is that our Yogo (320) rates are the same as the big three yogo rates. We just don't have a Mercedes (wide-body) in our garage. We are loosing new hires and junior pilots that want to go fly the Mercedes and/or live near one of the big three's bases. We have along way to go and pay rates are only a small part of the attraction of a destination carrier..
Our rates are not the same. Year 12 might be ballpark, but all the steps between are not. At some points over $11/hr difference, or $11,000/yr. I don’t think that’s the same.
Further, for a large percentage of us it has nothing to do with flying widebodies. It has everything to do with seniority. Whether that be through retirements, or whether it be through staying on a narrow body fleet while other people fly the widebodies. Both DL and UAL have seniority calculators and the difference compared to JB is staggering.
03-05-2022, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
My last 2 FOs don’t have any desire to fly widebodies. They wanted jetblue to be their career airline. They saw what a disaster this operation is and are in the process of leaving. One to southwest and one to either delta or United. Their disillusionment began in the schoolhouse with the training disaster and pay cutover disaster. Throw in an endless irop, and they were done with this place. It used to take a while on the line to get the blue juice out of newhires. Now the company is doing it within the first few weeks of training. Easy for Warren to cite widebodies as the reason we are losing people. But that isn’t the only reason people are leaving.
03-05-2022, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Inaccurate.
Our rates are not the same. Year 12 might be ballpark, but all the steps between are not. At some points over $11/hr difference, or $11,000/yr. I don’t think that’s the same.
Further, for a large percentage of us it has nothing to do with flying widebodies. It has everything to do with seniority. Whether that be through retirements, or whether it be through staying on a narrow body fleet while other people fly the widebodies. Both DL and UAL have seniority calculators and the difference compared to JB is staggering.
Our rates are not the same. Year 12 might be ballpark, but all the steps between are not. At some points over $11/hr difference, or $11,000/yr. I don’t think that’s the same.
Further, for a large percentage of us it has nothing to do with flying widebodies. It has everything to do with seniority. Whether that be through retirements, or whether it be through staying on a narrow body fleet while other people fly the widebodies. Both DL and UAL have seniority calculators and the difference compared to JB is staggering.
Last edited by Climbto450; 03-05-2022 at 08:55 AM. Reason: I can't spell.
03-05-2022, 04:54 PM
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Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
My last 2 FOs don’t have any desire to fly widebodies. They wanted jetblue to be their career airline. They saw what a disaster this operation is and are in the process of leaving. One to southwest and one to either delta or United. Their disillusionment began in the schoolhouse with the training disaster and pay cutover disaster. Throw in an endless irop, and they were done with this place. It used to take a while on the line to get the blue juice out of newhires. Now the company is doing it within the first few weeks of training. Easy for Warren to cite widebodies as the reason we are losing people. But that isn’t the only reason people are leaving.
03-06-2022, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Airwillystyle
Take this for what it’s worth but I heard they are ramping up hiring to 960 for this year moving forward!
I don’t even know how this would be possible. We can’t even train our current hiring schedule.
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03-06-2022, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
I don’t even know how this would be possible. We can’t even train our current hiring schedule.
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NOT A CHANCE. The 190 program is an absolute CF. The instructors are still great but the schedule is so Fd it’s not even funny. Some guys have had 11 events in a row CXd on them. I have had 4 so far. They are so far behind the power curve I don’t know what they will do.
03-06-2022, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
the difference is that our Yogo (320) rates are the same as the big three yogo rates. We just don't have a Mercedes (wide-body) in our garage. We are loosing new hires and junior pilots that want to go fly the Mercedes and/or live near one of the big three's bases. We have along way to go and pay rates are only a small part of the attraction of a destination carrier..
What's a yogo?
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