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Old 03-06-2022, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450 View Post
Fair enough on the pay I only was comparing 12 year pay. Their operations are just as jacked as us. My friends at every carrier make the same complaints or I should say complain just as much about their operations. That's our industry right now unfortunately. My point with the wide bodies has more to do with options and opportunities that JetBlue just doesn't offer, no matter what WC promises.. on a personal note I appreciate chaos but then again us 12 year plus captains tend to be greedy..
Yes, we know, your life is VDA, RSA, Prem X. Got it.

Wide-bodies are NOT the only reason dudes are leaving. ELT is telling Wall Street they will soon be margin leaders. There is PLENTY of financial bandwidth to provide the pilots with a contract worthy of keeping guys already on property, much less attracting plenty of new talent. Back in the day when SWA W2s were higher than most legacy pilots, they didn't have a big attrition problem, despite not having widebody aircraft...

Don't let them off the hook so easily by regurgitating their talking points.

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Old 03-06-2022, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Yes, we know, your life is VDA, RSA, Prem X. Got it.

Wide-bodies are NOT the only reason dudes are leaving. ELT is telling Wall Street they will soon be margin leaders. There is PLENTY of financial bandwidth to provide the pilots with a contract worthy of keeping guys already on property, much less attracting plenty of new talent. Back in the day when SWA W2s were higher than most legacy pilots, they didn't have a big attrition problem, despite not having widebody aircraft...

Don't let them off the hook so easily by regurgitating their talking points.

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Old 03-06-2022, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
Last two fo’s I’ve flown with are moving on. < 4 months on property. Higher 960 to keep 250. Unless they put out a solid contract, it will be a revolving door for the foreseeable future.

Oil just surged another 7%, so we’ll see. Plus all the debt that needs to be paid off with rising interest rates. Things can change quickly in this industry. I personally have a not so hot feeling about the next few years.
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Old 03-07-2022, 04:31 AM
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Anyone who interviewed on February 16th or 17th heard if they got an offer yet?
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Old 03-07-2022, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Yes, we know, your life is VDA, RSA, Prem X. Got it.

Wide-bodies are NOT the only reason dudes are leaving. ELT is telling Wall Street they will soon be margin leaders. There is PLENTY of financial bandwidth to provide the pilots with a contract worthy of keeping guys already on property, much less attracting plenty of new talent. Back in the day when SWA W2s were higher than most legacy pilots, they didn't have a big attrition problem, despite not having widebody aircraft...

Don't let them off the hook so easily by regurgitating their talking points.

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I agree with you about the financial side, this company has a lot of "bandwidth" to keep pilots here. As for the reasons people are leaving they are all across the board. The opportunities that a diverse fleet with wide bodies offer a pilot group and geographic vicinity to a crew base in relation to where the pilots live are by far the biggest reasons pilots are leaving. Yes there are other reasons but those seem to be what gets spoken about the most. I fly with plenty of FO's on their way out and that seems to be the narrative.
As for the last sentence. I don't have a clue what talking points you are talking about. I have outlook sending all corp comm emails above CL's stuff right into it's own folder that I purge weekly.. Stopped reading that 💩 years ago.
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Old 03-07-2022, 06:27 AM
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Anyone who interviewed on February 16th or 17th heard if they got an offer yet?

Yes class date of March 23rd for me. Best of luck.
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Old 03-07-2022, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450 View Post
I fly with plenty of FO's on their way out and that seems to be the narrative.
We need not to concentrate on why people *who were going to leave anyway* are leaving, we need to concentrate on why this company is chasing away people who honestly intended to make a career here and are now second guessing it. The simple fact is that you are told that jetblue is different because it cares about you and because it provides a superior product. The reality is that, from day 3 of training, it is painfully obvious that you are on your own. Sure, you’ll get the “we appreciate you” lip service and some donuts, but the reality is that you’re out there slogging thru a garbage operation, day after day and trip after trip, and nobody is indicating that they’re actually interested in changing that. When you go thru 8 weeks of an absolute garbage experience in training only to find that every trip is a meltdown, when you’re surrounded by angry pax and flight attendants saying “i should have left years ago..,” and when captains are all telling you “if you have a chance to go to XYZ legacy, take it,” that eats your soul and makes you question why on earth you ever wanted to come here in the first place.
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Old 03-07-2022, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by IAFDOF View Post
We need not to concentrate on why people *who were going to leave anyway* are leaving, we need to concentrate on why this company is chasing away people who honestly intended to make a career here and are now second guessing it. The simple fact is that you are told that jetblue is different because it cares about you and because it provides a superior product. The reality is that, from day 3 of training, it is painfully obvious that you are on your own. Sure, you’ll get the “we appreciate you” lip service and some donuts, but the reality is that you’re out there slogging thru a garbage operation, day after day and trip after trip, and nobody is indicating that they’re actually interested in changing that. When you go thru 8 weeks of an absolute garbage experience in training only to find that every trip is a meltdown, when you’re surrounded by angry pax and flight attendants saying “i should have left years ago..,” and when captains are all telling you “if you have a chance to go to XYZ legacy, take it,” that eats your soul and makes you question why on earth you ever wanted to come here in the first place.
At least you figured it out before you got golden handcuffs.
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Old 03-07-2022, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by IAFDOF View Post
We need not to concentrate on why people *who were going to leave anyway* are leaving, we need to concentrate on why this company is chasing away people who honestly intended to make a career here and are now second guessing it. The simple fact is that you are told that jetblue is different because it cares about you and because it provides a superior product. The reality is that, from day 3 of training, it is painfully obvious that you are on your own. Sure, you’ll get the “we appreciate you” lip service and some donuts, but the reality is that you’re out there slogging thru a garbage operation, day after day and trip after trip, and nobody is indicating that they’re actually interested in changing that. When you go thru 8 weeks of an absolute garbage experience in training only to find that every trip is a meltdown, when you’re surrounded by angry pax and flight attendants saying “i should have left years ago..,” and when captains are all telling you “if you have a chance to go to XYZ legacy, take it,” that eats your soul and makes you question why on earth you ever wanted to come here in the first place.
And add that it will take five times as long as anywhere else for appreciable seniority.... It's becomes a no brainer.
This was my final airline. I was sure of it.
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Old 03-07-2022, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
And add that it will take five times as long as anywhere else for appreciable seniority.... It's becomes a no brainer.
This was my final airline. I was sure of it.
All my apps are out and updated.
Sorry to hear that, man. I wanted this to be my last stop, too. Then I realized, minus the pay, life was better at my previous regional…
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