rvr1800

You should work on your knowledge of the programs.

These pilots will not have the same training as current new hires. Not even close. For current new hires this will most likely be their third or fourth new hire training cycle be it 135 or 121. Or they're coming from the military. The G7 guys will be going through their first airline training curriculum at JetBlue.

As far as the cape air guys they come here with around 4000 hours total time. Most of that as PIC in challenging flying conditions. So you cannot even compare the two programs.

The G7 guys will come here with 1500 hours. Competitive hiring mins for a new hire is 5000.

FlyingLow62

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Southerner

No different than some of the other established gateways (3 and 4) that hire people with no prior turbine or airline time.

20 guys a year will come through G7. A drop in the bucket. Tinfoil hats much?

rvr1800

Gateway 3, 4, and 5 are for people who already work at JetBlue. They are for people like a FA who already has all of their ratings and would like to work as a pilot at JetBlue.

Each one of those programs states that "satisfactory flight experience" is required in order to then go through the normal interview process to be selected by the PHC. What that number is I do not know but I have also never heard of anyone going through any of those gateways. I'm sure there have been but not very many. And I'm not going to take your word for any number considering your lack of knowledge on the other gateways.

I don't have a problem with any of those gateways. They are for Jetblue crew members working in other roles. They also don't cost JetBlue money. That is the biggest problem I have with gateway 7. They have already stated these pilots will have extra sim sessions and an extended IOE. That's money out of the company for absolutely no reason. This program is an unnecessary waste of money. No tinfoil hat needed to come to that conclusion.

Chrisx2

When you're right, you're right, and I'll give this one to you. I didn't look over what I read and I did sound like a condescending douche. On a separate note, I'll make another admission - I misread the FAQ on the G7 program and thought applicants had to fly for a partner airline (Cape Air or ExpressJet) after getting the 1500. So, I'm wrong on two levels.

Southerner

I have good knowledge of each of the Gateways. You only assume that I don't.

Instructors go through Gateway 4, but they aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking about guys who work as instructors on the side and build flight time until they meet the 1500 hour minimum and then come to work here through 3 or 4. (3 goes straight to the line, 4 stay in their current position and fly 2 days per month) The fact that they are JetBlue employees already is irrelevant when we are discussing their flight experience.

Again, my point is that we already hire inexperienced people. Gateway 7 people will be heavily screened, fully qualified pilots with 1500 hours and an ATP. I was a recruiter at my last airline involved with a very similar program that we had with a prominent flight training organization. Those candidates were hired with 180-220 hours TOTAL directly into the right seat of a CRJ. They almost never required extra training or extra IOE. I'm willing to bet this will be just the same. The screening will be thorough, and the training will be directed towards airline flying. Plus, they will have 6 times the flight experience of the pilots I just mentioned.

Southerner

I understand where you are coming from.

rvr1800

I didn't assume you were wrong about gateway 6 or 7. You were wrong about gateway 6 and parts of what you said about 7.

The gateway 7 guys will have 1500 hours because the FAA requires them to. They will all be instructing hours. But let's eliminate the lack of experience part of the argument for a second and just look at one fact. This gateway is not, and never will be, necessary to staff this airline. We are flushing money down the drain to satisfy what?

If you want to argue that gateway 6 wastes money as well, I'll agree. But those Cape Air guys are coming here with a wealth of experience compared to G7 guys.

rvr1800

No big deal. Sometimes the tone one means to convey in a post is interpreted differently by the reader. I've been guilty of the same on many occasions.

Purple Drank

Don't you think management will ramp up that number as the pilot shortage becomes more critical?
Strategic thought much?