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Old 02-27-2016, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Not a darn one of those things has anything to do with cleaning the cabin. I guess you missed the post where the CUSTOMERS (you know, those guys who pay your paycheck) don't want to see us doing it either?



Today I welcomed three children into my cockpit to take pictures and get wings, helped an elderly customer down the stairs with his bag, bought coffee and candy for the inflights during boarding, and did not go dumpster-dive nor have I in years. They are separate issues, and if you do it as my first officer when we operated the jet I will courteously ask you to desist. Good luck if you call me out on my "humanity" on that.

Ha. You can decide to not clean if you want to, but you have no authority to tell the FO not to. You can make an argument about the relative merits pro and con, but if he wants to continue that's out of your control.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Ha. You can decide to not clean if you want to, but you have no authority to tell the FO not to. You can make an argument about the relative merits pro and con, but if he wants to continue that's out of your control.
Thus the use of the word "ask".... There's other ways to skin that goose if they persist. Just wondering why guys are so eager to defy the request of your hard-working LEC/MEC, not to mention defying customer perception.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Thus the use of the word "ask".... There's other ways to skin that goose if they persist. Just wondering why guys are so eager to defy the request of your hard-working LEC/MEC, not to mention defying customer perception.
There's other ways to skin that goose if they persist.
What's that mean?
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Thus the use of the word "ask".... There's other ways to skin that goose if they persist. Just wondering why guys are so eager to defy the request of your hard-working LEC/MEC, not to mention defying customer perception.

I'm just not sure why you think it's in your right to "ask" or worse if they persist. You're setting yourself up to have HR troubles if you start harassing your FOs over stupid things like that. It's hard to get fired here, unless you get tangled up in a harassment case.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
There's other ways to skin that goose if they persist.
What's that mean?
FOM list of duties for CA/FO for example, then Pro Stans. Is this guy performing his walkaround in a timely manner? (If you're diving I guarantee I'm not doing your walkaround). Generally speaking, the guys who do it to impress the inflights by getting Hep C don't know how to use WSI, havent reviewed the notams... I can go on. Would rather not go that route, but I'm pretty much done with guys degrading the profession for their own selfish reasons.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
I'm just not sure why you think it's in your right to "ask" or worse if they persist. You're setting yourself up to have HR troubles if you start harassing your FOs over stupid things like that. It's hard to get fired here, unless you get tangled up in a harassment case.
Check the FOM and FCOM for my right to ask. After that it's probably a Pro Stans call since the guys that insist on this usually are missing some other part of their required duties. Leading edge itself has quantified what the pax think of pilots cleaning.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
You're argueing apples and oranges, two totally different situations. Your examples above have nothing to do with picking trash. No one ever said not to help nana with her bag or not speak to the person with flight phobia and make them feel better...
Especially if the person with the phobia is a good looking girl. I believe that is actually recommended by both the FOM and ALPA.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
FOM list of duties for CA/FO for example, then Pro Stans. Is this guy performing his walkaround in a timely manner? (If you're diving I guarantee I'm not doing your walkaround). Generally speaking, the guys who do it to impress the inflights by getting Hep C don't know how to use WSI, havent reviewed the notams... I can go on. Would rather not go that route, but I'm pretty much done with guys degrading the profession for their own selfish reasons.

Losing battle buddy. Mind your own business. You don't want to do it, fine. I clean when I want to, and don't when I don't. But I darn sure would clean every leg if I were flying with a guy like you, just to pee in your corn flakes. Some of you need to tone down the ego.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Check the FOM and FCOM for my right to ask. After that it's probably a Pro Stans call since the guys that insist on this usually are missing some other part of their required duties. Leading edge itself has quantified what the pax think of pilots cleaning.

Go ahead. Call away. You call pro stands, and your FO calls HR to file a harassment case. Good luck extricating yourself from that morass.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Losing battle buddy. Mind your own business. You don't want to do it, fine. I clean when I want to, and don't when I don't. But I darn sure would clean every leg if I were flying with a guy like you, just to pee in your corn flakes. Some of you need to tone down the ego.
And you'd be off the trip eventually, after the second time you missed a Notam in the release, an AERODATA modification or both...and since I do everything professionally and document it all you and HR would have no leg to stand on. I've not been accused of having an ego by a single FO in 3 years in the left seat in both jets here. But keep beating your chest about that. Have fun continuing to degrade the profession for your own amusement in the meantime.
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