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05-16-2016 | 01:47 AM
#8051
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So they want to see part of your GA time logged as SIC? That brings up another question--the application said to only count PIC time if you were actually responsible for the plane, so I went back and subtracted all of the PIC time I logged that was also dual-received and entered the real PIC on the application. Maybe I should add a column in my electronic logbook for "Real PIC" so they can see where I got that number? Since the FAA counts time as PIC (good toward rating eligibility) that airlines don't really consider PIC how do most people account for the difference?
05-16-2016 | 12:22 PM
#8052
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From: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Some consider it cheating. Employers are pretty savvy at spotting this. When in doubt, don't.
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05-16-2016 | 12:31 PM
#8053
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Partially correct. An aircraft requires two pilots by type certification or by the rules it's being operated under. With one pilot under the hood, a 172 now requires two pilots. The safety pilot could log PIC. if ACTING as PIC and this is agreed upon before the flight; otherwise it's SIC. Another caveat would occur in say a C172RG if the safety pilot did not have an HP/complex endorsement. In that case he MUST log SIC. So you can in fact have SIC in a 172. And in all my years of flight school ownership - looking at countless logbooks - that's the way I've seen it the most: SIC.
I don't have the FARs in front of me and it has been a long time since I've done any flight instruction or GA flying, but from what I remember if you have 2 guys buzzing around in a C172, one under the hood, both pilots can log PIC time, however the safety pilot can log the time when the other is under the hood.
05-16-2016 | 12:36 PM
#8054
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From: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
That does not sound right at all, unless things have changed? Logging SIC in a C172 with with 2 pilots, one being a safety pilot?
I don't have the FARs in front of me and it has been a long time since I've done any flight instruction or GA flying, but from what I remember if you have 2 guys buzzing around in a C172, one under the hood, both pilots can log PIC time, however the safety pilot can log the time when the other is under the hood.
I don't have the FARs in front of me and it has been a long time since I've done any flight instruction or GA flying, but from what I remember if you have 2 guys buzzing around in a C172, one under the hood, both pilots can log PIC time, however the safety pilot can log the time when the other is under the hood.
How about a Bonanza with a throw over wheel? If I'm an ATP RATED PIC I'm not relinquishing PIC authority - even under the hood - to a private pilot. The safety pilot can't legitimately get control quickly. The logging status is determined by who is ACTING as the PIC. Here's a good breakdown.
https://www.aopa.org/training-and-sa...gging-time#saf
I agree that both pilots can log PIC; however, someone suggested you can't ever log SIC in a 172. That's not true.
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05-16-2016 | 01:37 PM
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The answer is- it depends. Both PIC and SIC can legally be logged by a safety pilot. Depends on the circumstances. If I'm under the hood and I say, "I'm PIC." You log SIC.
How about a Bonanza with a throw over wheel? If I'm an ATP RATED PIC I'm not relinquishing PIC authority - even under the hood - to a private pilot. The safety pilot can't legitimately get control quickly. The logging status is determined by who is ACTING as the PIC. Here's a good breakdown.
https://www.aopa.org/training-and-sa...gging-time#saf
I agree that both pilots can log PIC; however, someone suggested you can't ever log SIC in a 172. That's not true.
How about a Bonanza with a throw over wheel? If I'm an ATP RATED PIC I'm not relinquishing PIC authority - even under the hood - to a private pilot. The safety pilot can't legitimately get control quickly. The logging status is determined by who is ACTING as the PIC. Here's a good breakdown.
https://www.aopa.org/training-and-sa...gging-time#saf
I agree that both pilots can log PIC; however, someone suggested you can't ever log SIC in a 172. That's not true.
05-16-2016 | 02:14 PM
#8056
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Any new JetBlue Hiring Info?
Hey everybody,
I applied for JB back in September. After a few months I got an email from HR saying that their system went through an update and to re-apply, that was about 2 months ago. Any word on interviews or class dates?
I'm thinking I missed out, I'm at the lower end of JB minimums.
I applied for JB back in September. After a few months I got an email from HR saying that their system went through an update and to re-apply, that was about 2 months ago. Any word on interviews or class dates?
I'm thinking I missed out, I'm at the lower end of JB minimums.
05-16-2016 | 03:31 PM
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Hey everybody,
I applied for JB back in September. After a few months I got an email from HR saying that their system went through an update and to re-apply, that was about 2 months ago. Any word on interviews or class dates?
I'm thinking I missed out, I'm at the lower end of JB minimums.
I applied for JB back in September. After a few months I got an email from HR saying that their system went through an update and to re-apply, that was about 2 months ago. Any word on interviews or class dates?
I'm thinking I missed out, I'm at the lower end of JB minimums.
05-16-2016 | 03:42 PM
#8058
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Log PIC when you are solo designated as the Captain.... log SIC when designated as such in an appropriate aircraft that requires one. Log the other stuff (safety pilot, etc) as training/time building.... keep it easy. FAA Part 61 (sole manipulator) and Part 1 PIC are two very different things. If you are typed in an RJ and flying as FO, you are the SIC, and should be logging it as such, even though under 61.51 you could log PIC, but you really are not.
05-16-2016 | 04:53 PM
#8059
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So you fill out the application and enter your no-kidding, responsible for the airplane PIC time. Your paper logbook contains sole-manipulator, appropriately rated PIC time (e.g. a private pilot receiving instruction toward an instrument or commercial rating, or a commercial pilot receiving instruction toward an instructor rating). Is there a preferred method of documenting the difference? You can add a column to an electronic logbook, but should you add a corrective entry or something to the paper log?
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