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01-28-2021, 08:31 AM
Layover Master
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Seated
Posts: 4,311
Originally Posted by boxthrower
Every aircraft at Envoy, Piedmont and PSA is registered to AA which means those operations aren’t wet lease. Republic, Skywest and Mesa are wet lease.
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I don't believe Republic, Skywest or Mesa are considered Wet Lease. They are more likely Capacity Purchase Agreements, and fall under the APA definition of Eagle Branded.
"For the purposes of this LOA...
- 'American' shall mean American Airlines, Inc. or ANY carrier(s) operating as American
Eagle."
CAPS mine for emphasis. Seems straight forward. Any RJ under the AA umbrella can now fly on JB code. I bet our customers will be loving that.
01-28-2021, 08:31 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 30
As a junior guy at the absolute bottom who would definitely be on the chopping block if they decide to furlough. Guys I can tell you junior guys I know all are a resounding NO. I rather get furloughed and come back to a company with a strong pilot group then get this thing voted in and work for a company that is gutted and able to farm out it’s flying. Giving up potentially 10 years of flying just for a couple of months of furlough protection that too with many stipulations that probably can’t be meet doesn’t make sense to me or my fellow colleagues.
01-28-2021, 08:45 AM
You scratched my anchor
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,878
Just FYI:
“Wetleases are prohibited in our contract under 1.C.1b. However, JetBlue’s Scope is silent on the wetlease issue. Meaning, while the Company would need APA’s permission to wetlease aircraft, JetBlue’s MEC does not have same rights. In theory, this means any wetleasing would only be on the JetBlue side. An example of how a wetlease would apply in this Code-share is: an AA airplane shows up at a JetBlue gate, carries a B6 flight number and is operated by an AA crew. JetBlue sells the seats and keeps all the revenue from the flight and pays AA for the plane and the crew. There are more examples of this in freight world where you will see a Polar/Atlas 747 flying around with a Qantas or Cathay Pacific flight number. You can see why this is prohibited in our contract.“
“Wetleases are prohibited in our contract under 1.C.1b. However, JetBlue’s Scope is silent on the wetlease issue. Meaning, while the Company would need APA’s permission to wetlease aircraft, JetBlue’s MEC does not have same rights. In theory, this means any wetleasing would only be on the JetBlue side. An example of how a wetlease would apply in this Code-share is: an AA airplane shows up at a JetBlue gate, carries a B6 flight number and is operated by an AA crew. JetBlue sells the seats and keeps all the revenue from the flight and pays AA for the plane and the crew. There are more examples of this in freight world where you will see a Polar/Atlas 747 flying around with a Qantas or Cathay Pacific flight number. You can see why this is prohibited in our contract.“
01-28-2021, 08:52 AM
Layover Master
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Seated
Posts: 4,311
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Just FYI:
“Wetleases are prohibited in our contract under 1.C.1b. However, JetBlue’s Scope is silent on the wetlease issue. Meaning, while the Company would need APA’s permission to wetlease aircraft, JetBlue’s MEC does not have same rights. In theory, this means any wetleasing would only be on the JetBlue side. An example of how a wetlease would apply in this Code-share is: an AA airplane shows up at a JetBlue gate, carries a B6 flight number and is operated by an AA crew. JetBlue sells the seats and keeps all the revenue from the flight and pays AA for the plane and the crew. There are more examples of this in freight world where you will see a Polar/Atlas 747 flying around with a Qantas or Cathay Pacific flight number. You can see why this is prohibited in our contract.“
“Wetleases are prohibited in our contract under 1.C.1b. However, JetBlue’s Scope is silent on the wetlease issue. Meaning, while the Company would need APA’s permission to wetlease aircraft, JetBlue’s MEC does not have same rights. In theory, this means any wetleasing would only be on the JetBlue side. An example of how a wetlease would apply in this Code-share is: an AA airplane shows up at a JetBlue gate, carries a B6 flight number and is operated by an AA crew. JetBlue sells the seats and keeps all the revenue from the flight and pays AA for the plane and the crew. There are more examples of this in freight world where you will see a Polar/Atlas 747 flying around with a Qantas or Cathay Pacific flight number. You can see why this is prohibited in our contract.“
Voting NO.
01-28-2021, 09:10 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by Juhbroni
Been here less than 2 years. Can't believe they'd pass this thing 12-2. Disappointed to say the least, it's a NO and its not even close....Hoping our pilot group is paying attention to how bad this truly is.
01-28-2021, 09:56 AM
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,887
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
"For the purposes of this LOA...
- 'American' shall mean American Airlines, Inc. or ANY carrier(s) operating as American
Eagle."
CAPS mine for emphasis. Seems straight forward. Any RJ under the AA umbrella can now fly on JB code. I bet our customers will be loving that.
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