nuball5

Good point.

Plus a lot of those guys might be enjoying the time at home and see that the Extended Incentive Lines pay an extra 5 hours from the normal VILs.

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I haven’t talked to one person in real life, including a bunch of newish people I’m in a group chat with, who are anything other than a hard no unless there’s something we aren’t seeing. We will see what the union presents to win people over, but I don’t think this scope sale is gonna fly. Even if they had reinstated the previous PS formula and and a 3-4% raise for the next 2 years, I’m still a hard pass.

CanoeBum

Is this your first airline job? The TA is a joke. The company will furlough if they want to. Bluejet accountants are wizards at number manipulation, so all voting yes does is put off whatever they’re going to do for a few more months. The price for that few months at the bottom of the scale is taking recall to a shell of what could have been a decent career. NEVER give up scope... EVER

9mikemike

Someone needs to post the TA in its entirety. Let everyone who has had the experience of scope giveaway chime in.
Likely everyone else knows a few Jet Blues and will be happy to educate from the outside on the dangerous waters your ship is being steered towards....

Ted Striker

Not going to lie, I went into this thinking the TA was going to be mostly JB gains and us pulling more aircraft out of storage yada yada yada so more or less a win for us pilots. But wow, I was not expecting this.

So we fought years for the scope we have in our contract, which the union made perfectly clear was one of the biggest (value) factors we had going for us in our TA. We were also told if we wanted higher rates etc we would have to give up said items such as scope to get them. Now we are potentially giving up hub to hub flying, international flying and Caribbean flying which would/could be on our own metal? For a 2% raise which we should be getting in theory anyway with a new contract whenever that happens 4-5 years after we open??? Furlough protection for maybe another year? After the vaccine is already being rolled out with projections of 90% 2019 numbers this winter? Oh and sprinkle in some early out and no fly lines?????

5 year terms? Up to 10 years with 24 month spool downs?????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Flica waiting room??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????????????????? For a 2% raise?????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ??????????


This is a joke email from the union right? It has to be.

todd1200

Agreed. I assumed I’d be voting “Yes” to something that what was essentially an extension of LOA 12 with a few carrots added to the mix. The extent of the scope relaxations and the 10 year timeframe turned me to a “No”. I’ve done VIL every month I could and was really looking forward to the possibility of a 1 or 2 year leave, but I’m not willing to sacrifice so much of Section 1 for so long.

RiddleEagle18

Keep up the pressure. The LEC is pushing this and telling people it’s a good deal.


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CanoeBum

What council? Name names on these traitors

Boomer

Unfortunately ALPA is already full-push on selling this. Expect your attention to be diverted from the huge negatives to the little positives.

Take today’s introductory email for example - second paragraph under “code sharing and job security” -
“akin to the existing 17 commercial agreements the company already has with airlines such as CapeAir, Silver Airways, and others”...

Notice who they name, and who they don’t name. Why mention CapeAir and Silver by name? Easy - those airlines aren’t threatening our jobs. What companies did they NOT mention by name? Emirates, Aer Lingus, South African Airways, Norwegian, Icelandair, Air China, Hawaiian...

Who does AA better resemble, those huge national and international carriers, or CapeAir?

Yet the email directs your attention to little tiny CapeAir and Silver... “and others”. It’s a sales pitch.

Ted Striker

Why can’t they give us an outsiders look, I want to see a side by side comparison of all the positives and all the negatives. Stop giving me just a sell job, I pay for this service.