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02-03-2021, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Atl320
LOA 12 A.1.a specifies AAL, which would supersede 1.F.2. The code share section in LOA 12 was not the MEC’s to give away. It was supposed to go for ratification, being the very foundation of our pay and work rules.
02-03-2021, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
Pay no attention to that section, remember LOA 12 gave relief to that section.
1.F.7 and 1.F.8 is what's on the table (LOA13)
1.F.7 and 1.F.8 is what's on the table (LOA13)
Please read part B of LOA 13 very carefully.
#1 applies to section 1.F.7 and 1.F.8
#2 applies to Growth metrics that are defined in section 1 of our CBA.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT SECTIONS
To say that only 1.F.7 and 1.F.8 are what’s on the table is totally false.
02-03-2021, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H
Idk but I don’t think you’re helping by publicly disparaging our volunteer union leaders
Point is, the TA contains a major Scope concession. The MEC and management say it’s no big deal, but it’s a deal breaker for many of us. Why put a poison pill in a contract if nobody plans on taking advantage of it?
02-03-2021, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RamRod
LOA 12 ends on May 1, 2021,
Please read part B of LOA 13 very carefully.
#1 applies to section 1.F.7 and 1.F.8
#2 applies to Growth metrics that are defined in section 1 of our CBA.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT SECTIONS
To say that only 1.F.7 and 1.F.8 are what’s on the table is totally false.
Please read part B of LOA 13 very carefully.
#1 applies to section 1.F.7 and 1.F.8
#2 applies to Growth metrics that are defined in section 1 of our CBA.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT SECTIONS
To say that only 1.F.7 and 1.F.8 are what’s on the table is totally false.
02-03-2021, 07:40 AM
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Posts: 2,002
Originally Posted by RamRod
LOA 12 ends on May 1, 2021,
Please read part B of LOA 13 very carefully.
#1 applies to section 1.F.7 and 1.F.8
#2 applies to Growth metrics that are defined in section 1 of our CBA.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT SECTIONS
To say that only 1.F.7 and 1.F.8 are what’s on the table is totally false.
Please read part B of LOA 13 very carefully.
#1 applies to section 1.F.7 and 1.F.8
#2 applies to Growth metrics that are defined in section 1 of our CBA.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT SECTIONS
To say that only 1.F.7 and 1.F.8 are what’s on the table is totally false.
02-03-2021, 08:17 AM
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Posts: 205
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
To Softpay, no, not entirely well stated. Why does it have to be one OR the other. IF we are to give any relief, it should be well compensated.
And... it will be very difficult to ever get this industry standard benefit called Profit Sharing from a company so emotionally attached to not sharing. It's MUCH more difficult to get PS when you don't have something the company wants from you as a group. That's just reality.
To antbar, I generally agree with your post, right up until the end. IF any part of the scope is to be relaxed to allow this codeshare, it should come with great compensation to address the monetary value of the codeshare/scope and to compensate for the additional risk pilots take on from the scope changes.
Ha, Payne beat me to it.
And... it will be very difficult to ever get this industry standard benefit called Profit Sharing from a company so emotionally attached to not sharing. It's MUCH more difficult to get PS when you don't have something the company wants from you as a group. That's just reality.
To antbar, I generally agree with your post, right up until the end. IF any part of the scope is to be relaxed to allow this codeshare, it should come with great compensation to address the monetary value of the codeshare/scope and to compensate for the additional risk pilots take on from the scope changes.
Ha, Payne beat me to it.
I have no problem with getting better compensation in a TA #2. But what I was trying to encourage in others is to not look at this from the perspective of “they aren’t paying me enough to give up scope protections,” but rather “lock up this language in a very limited way that gives us more power and oh, by the way, more money also.” The money doesn’t mean a thing without the words.
Most folks seem to get this, but if you wouldn’t vote for this TA now, but would vote for the exact same TA with 20% profit sharing, you’re looking at the problem wrong.
Thanks Payne for pointing out the mistake.
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