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02-02-2021, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
I haven’t heard any reasons why people vote yes besides. I talked to the union, it won’t happen etc. care to share why I’m just trying to be as educated as possible.
Frankly, filing a PDR would probably get you better info RE: your questions.
For me, its a huge growth incentive that makes me a yes voter. While growth isn't guaranteed, the downside is limited. I think this will get us back to work sooner, upgrade faster and close the MCO E-190 base (kidding riddle).
Look, this is good for us as a company and us as Pilots. We have the opportunity to grow significantly. We are giving temporary relief on 1 or 2 sections of scope. Not the scary kind-- we still do not allow capacity purchase agreements and it is not a joint venture. And if it goes to hell (don't see it) we can back out of the deal (granted at 5 years and 24 months)-- This is important-- the scope relief is still under union control. We aren't ****ing away scope with zero chance to get it back, as some would argue.
Rarely, do we have the opportunity to grow, hire more, and take advantage of the situation. I'm not going to vote no to just vote no.
I think the MEC got this right.
02-02-2021, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
Voted No. I’ve never felt more strongly about a vote. I hope this fails by a large margin.
I think it will be close. Both the union and the company are in favor. Juicers will vote yes because it is good for the company, union folks will vote yes because the union supports it.
No idea which way it will go, but it will be close.
02-02-2021, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I think it will be close. Both the union and the company are in favor. Juicers will vote yes because it is good for the company, union folks will vote yes because the union supports it.
No idea which way it will go, but it will be close.
No idea which way it will go, but it will be close.
02-02-2021, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
What about the returning of the London slot? You still think we will grow? They only have to adjust the growth from 2021. When we are at 35-40% of normal...
I think we will grow-- honestly, I do. . This agreement incentivizes our flying.
Agree, the 2021 as a benchmark is a bad number, since 2021 hasn't finished out.
Throw in a PDR and ask the NC that question.... I think its reasonable.
02-02-2021, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Frankly, filing a PDR would probably get you better info RE: your questions.
For me, its a huge growth incentive that makes me a yes voter. While growth isn't guaranteed, the downside is limited. I think this will get us back to work sooner, upgrade faster and close the MCO E-190 base (kidding riddle).
Look, this is good for us as a company and us as Pilots. We have the opportunity to grow significantly. We are giving temporary relief on 1 or 2 sections of scope. Not the scary kind-- we still do not allow capacity purchase agreements and it is not a joint venture. And if it goes to hell (don't see it) we can back out of the deal (granted at 5 years and 24 months)-- This is important-- the scope relief is still under union control. We aren't ****ing away scope with zero chance to get it back, as some would argue.
Rarely, do we have the opportunity to grow, hire more, and take advantage of the situation. I'm not going to vote no to just vote no.
I think the MEC got this right.
For me, its a huge growth incentive that makes me a yes voter. While growth isn't guaranteed, the downside is limited. I think this will get us back to work sooner, upgrade faster and close the MCO E-190 base (kidding riddle).
Look, this is good for us as a company and us as Pilots. We have the opportunity to grow significantly. We are giving temporary relief on 1 or 2 sections of scope. Not the scary kind-- we still do not allow capacity purchase agreements and it is not a joint venture. And if it goes to hell (don't see it) we can back out of the deal (granted at 5 years and 24 months)-- This is important-- the scope relief is still under union control. We aren't ****ing away scope with zero chance to get it back, as some would argue.
Rarely, do we have the opportunity to grow, hire more, and take advantage of the situation. I'm not going to vote no to just vote no.
I think the MEC got this right.
So there will be LOTS of B6 coded RJs...
E175s are a lot cheaper to operate than E190s and the same is true for E175 pilots. Winning like Charlie Sheen!
02-02-2021, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Glad its not just me.
Thanks for being public about your vote.
Thanks for being public about your vote.
02-02-2021, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Frankly, filing a PDR would probably get you better info RE: your questions.
For me, its a huge growth incentive that makes me a yes voter. While growth isn't guaranteed, the downside is limited. I think this will get us back to work sooner, upgrade faster and close the MCO E-190 base (kidding riddle).
Look, this is good for us as a company and us as Pilots. We have the opportunity to grow significantly. We are giving temporary relief on 1 or 2 sections of scope. Not the scary kind-- we still do not allow capacity purchase agreements and it is not a joint venture. And if it goes to hell (don't see it) we can back out of the deal (granted at 5 years and 24 months)-- This is important-- the scope relief is still under union control. We aren't ****ing away scope with zero chance to get it back, as some would argue.
Rarely, do we have the opportunity to grow, hire more, and take advantage of the situation. I'm not going to vote no to just vote no.
I think the MEC got this right.
For me, its a huge growth incentive that makes me a yes voter. While growth isn't guaranteed, the downside is limited. I think this will get us back to work sooner, upgrade faster and close the MCO E-190 base (kidding riddle).
Look, this is good for us as a company and us as Pilots. We have the opportunity to grow significantly. We are giving temporary relief on 1 or 2 sections of scope. Not the scary kind-- we still do not allow capacity purchase agreements and it is not a joint venture. And if it goes to hell (don't see it) we can back out of the deal (granted at 5 years and 24 months)-- This is important-- the scope relief is still under union control. We aren't ****ing away scope with zero chance to get it back, as some would argue.
Rarely, do we have the opportunity to grow, hire more, and take advantage of the situation. I'm not going to vote no to just vote no.
I think the MEC got this right.
Even if you think growth will occur, why are you in favor of SEVEN years minimum of an agreement?
Look, I'm usually glass half empty when it comes to furlough talks, but the longer this goes on, the more I feel like furlough isn't going to happen.
If they were to furlough, we'd need a 60 day notice, so now we're talking spring/summer at the earliest. While everyone else is trying to jumpstart their operations, we're going to furlough pilots? Vaccines are being spread out to the masses and we're going to furlough? How much will that cost the company? How much will that hinder progress for the company? Furlough now and they're shooting themselves in the foot. The company is talking about starting European flying and hiring people by the end of 2021 and part of our carrot in this TA is furlough protection? To me that's like a dealer offering me VIN etching or pin striping. I don't need it. Then you have the issue that any "gotcha's" that we might have missed are legally binding for 7 years at the minimum.
Just those two things I'm a no vote, and that's before we even talk about relaxing scope.
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