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02-01-2021, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
So, we tell them no? We will be negotiating our new CBA. We use that is leverage. I don't understand how that is bad.
02-01-2021, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 31LatKE
Couldn't we just say no now and not wait five or ten years?
Sure. Bad idea, but sure. Vote your how you feel. Lose 70/30 and stay you tried.... will be just like the contract vote.
02-01-2021, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Sure. Bad idea, but sure. Vote your how you feel. Lose 70/30 and stay you tried.... will be just like the contract vote.
02-01-2021, 03:49 PM
The REAL Bluedriver
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Sure. Bad idea, but sure. Vote your how you feel. Lose 70/30 and stay you tried.... will be just like the contract vote.
2. Why not try to get more restrictions and guarantees IN the TA? Why not try and get more value for the pilots IN the TA?
02-01-2021, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
This can't be a serious post. 99 times out of 100 it is the pilots that want to complete negotiations for a new CBA and it is the company who would rather delay a CBA. That is why negotiations take 3-4-5 years. Pilots normally have close to zero leverage in negotiations, especially to get something from the company that the company doesn't want to give, or give up.
totally serious. Talked with the union at length about this.
why cant we just say no in 5years and 24 months?
02-01-2021, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
1. I think this vote is going to be a LOT closer than the contract vote.
2. Why not try to get more restrictions and guarantees IN the TA? Why not try and get more value for the pilots IN the TA?
2. Why not try to get more restrictions and guarantees IN the TA? Why not try and get more value for the pilots IN the TA?
Ask the NC. I did not negotiate this and I can't answer this question. Call the NC chair or do a PDR and have him call you.
02-01-2021, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 31LatKE
I was just using the logic you gave. You say we can vote no then but we can't now. What's different? How will we have more leverage?
{sarcasm intended}
02-01-2021, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
It’s very similar to voting yes to the CBA because of the industry leading scope section and then voting yes to this TA which guts the scope section. What changed?
{sarcasm intended}
{sarcasm intended}
that's actually a decent argument. And while the scope section is changing in the LOA (should it pass) it is still robust. Hell, this section 1 is still 1000% more robust than AA has, even assuming this passes. And we can still say no *but down the road*.
The world is not ending.
02-01-2021, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I'm not sure how the vote will go. Clearly, I'm voting yes like the CBA vote and you are voting NO like the CBA vote. I think it will be similar to the CBA.
Ask the NC. I did not negotiate this and I can't answer this question. Call the NC chair or do a PDR and have him call you.
Ask the NC. I did not negotiate this and I can't answer this question. Call the NC chair or do a PDR and have him call you.
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