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Old 08-28-2022, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cockpit997
Regardless, itís expensive and unsustainable.
A group of accountants you will never meet sitting in an office somewhere crunch numbers and if the cost of training 100 to keep 60 is one dollar less than the projected cost to pay pilots more over the same time period, then yes, it is considered sustainable.
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Old 08-28-2022, 05:09 AM
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The training center is a (mostly) fixed cost silo. Operating at 100% capacity is the ideal for the accountants and the CFO.


Originally Posted by Cockpit997
Regardless, itís expensive and unsustainable.
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Old 08-28-2022, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FahQ2
A group of accountants you will never meet sitting in an office somewhere crunch numbers and if the cost of training 100 to keep 60 is one dollar less than the projected cost to pay pilots more over the same time period, then yes, it is considered sustainable.
Probably so....On the one hand you have pilots screaming "if you pay'd us more, those new guys would stay!!" The accountants say, "yeah.....we could pay all of you a lot more and still a sizable % would leave anyway...makes no sense."
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Old 08-28-2022, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Probably so....On the one hand you have pilots screaming "if you pay'd us more, those new guys would stay!!" The accountants say, "yeah.....we could pay all of you a lot more and still a sizable % would leave anyway...makes no sense."
Totally agree, as majority leave for geography and opportunities the WB fleets offer a high percentage of the pilots would leave even if we had industry leading 320 pay rates.
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Old 08-28-2022, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Descendto450
Totally agree, as majority leave for geography and opportunities the WB fleets offer a high percentage of the pilots would leave even if we had industry leading 320 pay rates.
Ok, so knowing that. Why does the company allow for the largest bases to be in ďundesirableĒ cities? Why are the Florida bases so small? Why is LAX so small? No mid west base (Austin was a possibility until we blew it)?

We talked about virtual basing so we can build pairings out of smaller cities.
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Old 08-28-2022, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Cockpit997
Ok, so knowing that. Why does the company allow for the largest bases to be in ďundesirableĒ cities? Why are the Florida bases so small? Why is LAX so small? No mid west base (Austin was a possibility until we blew it)?

We talked about virtual basing so we can build pairings out of smaller cities.

How is LAX any different than those other undesirable cities youíre referring to? If anything itís worse.

The company isnít going to open a domicile unless it makes business sense. Itís always been an airline that takes people from NY and Boston to Florida at itís core. Theyíll never open another base as a means to try an curb attrition. Iím not even sure that would even solve the attrition issues. Just head over to the Frontier or Spirit forums, who both have Midwest and Florida bases for that answer.
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Old 08-28-2022, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cockpit997
Ok, so knowing that. Why does the company allow for the largest bases to be in ďundesirableĒ cities? Why are the Florida bases so small? Why is LAX so small? No mid west base (Austin was a possibility until we blew it)?

We talked about virtual basing so we can build pairings out of smaller cities.
well it's no secret that JB liked to geographically hire around there base system, and how are you or I to say NY and BOS are undesirable. We have plenty of pilots who stay for the BOS base. As for LAX it has grown tremendously in the past 2 years, yes the pairing stink but upgrade has gone down to around 11years and it's pretty easy for a 1st year bus pilot to bid it as FO. FLL has grown immensely as well, from Captains perspective it appears that they have shrunk the flying out of BOS.
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Old 08-28-2022, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
How is LAX any different than those other undesirable cities youíre referring to? If anything itís worse.

The company isnít going to open a domicile unless it makes business sense. Itís always been an airline that takes people from NY and Boston to Florida at itís core. Theyíll never open another base as a means to try an curb attrition. Iím not even sure that would even solve the attrition issues. Just head over to the Frontier or Spirit forums, who both have Midwest and Florida bases for that answer.
If youíre commuting from CA, AZ, NV, UT or OR itís better than NY or MA
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Old 08-28-2022, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Descendto450
well it's no secret that JB liked to geographically hire around there base system, and how are you or I to say NY and BOS are undesirable. We have plenty of pilots who stay for the BOS base. As for LAX it has grown tremendously in the past 2 years, yes the pairing stink but upgrade has gone down to around 11years and it's pretty easy for a 1st year bus pilot to bid it as FO. FLL has grown immensely as well, from Captains perspective it appears that they have shrunk the flying out of BOS.
Undesirable was a poor choice of words but our base structure isnít the greatest.
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Old 08-28-2022, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Descendto450
well it's no secret that JB liked to geographically hire around there base system, and how are you or I to say NY and BOS are undesirable. We have plenty of pilots who stay for the BOS base. As for LAX it has grown tremendously in the past 2 years, yes the pairing stink but upgrade has gone down to around 11years and it's pretty easy for a 1st year bus pilot to bid it as FO. FLL has grown immensely as well, from Captains perspective it appears that they have shrunk the flying out of BOS.
LOL. Upgrade down to 11 years. Latest vacancy at DL had <3 year upgrades on the 757 in LAX, not to mention the 320 upgrades. I'm no DL cheerleader (AT ALL), but that's why people are leaving. Widebodies.... eh, sure, some want that.
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