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10-25-2023, 06:12 AM
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Why are there in base layovers?
Without in-base layovers:
1-day trip BOS-IAH-BOS pays ~8 hours
3-day trip BOS-PHX-BOS commutable both ends. Block is less than 12 hours, pays 15 hours.
Total for both trips credit 23 hours
With in-base layovers:
4-day trip.
Day one BOS-IAH-BOS, layover.
Days 2-4 BOS-PHX-BOS
4-day trip pay 20 hours.
Saves the company 3 hours soft time.
10-25-2023, 06:58 AM
off weekends (if Reserve)
Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 289
Originally Posted by Boomer
“Pilots want to be based in Florida”
“Pilots don’t want to be based in JFK or BOS”
At JetBlue, these two lines mean the same exact thing. Right up until there’s the mystery of an annual bid.
“Pilots don’t want to be based in JFK or BOS”
At JetBlue, these two lines mean the same exact thing. Right up until there’s the mystery of an annual bid.
10-25-2023, 08:42 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 157
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
For soft time trip credit leveling.
Without in-base layovers:
1-day trip BOS-IAH-BOS pays ~8 hours
3-day trip BOS-PHX-BOS commutable both ends. Block is less than 12 hours, pays 15 hours.
Total for both trips credit 23 hours
With in-base layovers:
4-day trip.
Day one BOS-IAH-BOS, layover.
Days 2-4 BOS-PHX-BOS
4-day trip pay 20 hours.
Saves the company 3 hours soft time.
Without in-base layovers:
1-day trip BOS-IAH-BOS pays ~8 hours
3-day trip BOS-PHX-BOS commutable both ends. Block is less than 12 hours, pays 15 hours.
Total for both trips credit 23 hours
With in-base layovers:
4-day trip.
Day one BOS-IAH-BOS, layover.
Days 2-4 BOS-PHX-BOS
4-day trip pay 20 hours.
Saves the company 3 hours soft time.
10-25-2023, 08:44 AM
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,588
Originally Posted by BananaHammock
What is the fix for this - better rigs?
I dont think anyone gives a poop about overnighting in base vs somewhere else, but the loss of pay is the main gripe.
10-25-2023, 09:42 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 704
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Yes, Trip rig is currently 3.5:1. 3:1 would turn most 4day trips into 22-24hrs min credit. Minimum daily credit is another way to fix it. 6hrs min day credit would make a 4day pay 24hrs.
I dont think anyone gives a poop about overnighting in base vs somewhere else, but the loss of pay is the main gripe.
I dont think anyone gives a poop about overnighting in base vs somewhere else, but the loss of pay is the main gripe.
10-25-2023, 11:00 AM
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Yes, Trip rig is currently 3.5:1. 3:1 would turn most 4day trips into 22-24hrs min credit. Minimum daily credit is another way to fix it. 6hrs min day credit would make a 4day pay 24hrs.
I dont think anyone gives a poop about overnighting in base vs somewhere else, but the loss of pay is the main gripe.
I dont think anyone gives a poop about overnighting in base vs somewhere else, but the loss of pay is the main gripe.
Just increasing the minimum day rig, would incentivize adding turns to the front and back of each trip.
Think the better way to go is to go with a better TAFB rig.
10-25-2023, 12:21 PM
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by Desdi
So that everyone can make 5 hrs a day and not a penny more!
This is a spreadsheet calculator where I can examine pairings and see how the RIGs are affecting credit, and also play with different RIGs to see how credit would change in a future CBA.
10-25-2023, 01:32 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 704
Originally Posted by flythere757
Here's a mathematical breakdown of some ways in-base layovers are saving them money and costing us (pilots):
This is a spreadsheet calculator where I can examine pairings and see how the RIGs are affecting credit, and also play with different RIGs to see how credit would change in a future CBA.
This is a spreadsheet calculator where I can examine pairings and see how the RIGs are affecting credit, and also play with different RIGs to see how credit would change in a future CBA.
10-25-2023, 07:42 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,238
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
For soft time trip credit leveling.
Without in-base layovers:
1-day trip BOS-IAH-BOS pays ~8 hours
3-day trip BOS-PHX-BOS commutable both ends. Block is less than 12 hours, pays 15 hours.
Total for both trips credit 23 hours
With in-base layovers:
4-day trip.
Day one BOS-IAH-BOS, layover.
Days 2-4 BOS-PHX-BOS
4-day trip pay 20 hours.
Saves the company 3 hours soft time.
Without in-base layovers:
1-day trip BOS-IAH-BOS pays ~8 hours
3-day trip BOS-PHX-BOS commutable both ends. Block is less than 12 hours, pays 15 hours.
Total for both trips credit 23 hours
With in-base layovers:
4-day trip.
Day one BOS-IAH-BOS, layover.
Days 2-4 BOS-PHX-BOS
4-day trip pay 20 hours.
Saves the company 3 hours soft time.
We can’t negotiate how a company constructs pairings (for the most pair), but maybe throw in a no in-base overnight clause in there? Thinking out loud on this one. Besides the money pilots lose, is there any pros to having these types of pairings constructed?
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