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Historical data shows Jetblue enters a new market with one flight per day or a few flights per week. In contrast other carriers enter with multiple flights per day. As an example AA typically does 2.8 flights per day. What’s the result? Jetblue tests a market at off peak time, yields are unsuccessful and the market ends. Jetblue has never focused on D0 and only recently A14 while increasing turn times and “touch times” for mechanics. This isnt a about Neeleman or unions its about bad decision making from management,
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Kirby recently mentioned in their earnings report that they are limiting growth not only due to the limited number of Max 7 deliveries but also because United Airlines’ growth is constrained by their partnership. As a result, the partnership prioritizes route optimization over unilateral expansion, which raises the question at the size that they are why continually put pressure on us and take over what’s left at zero cost. Or why even agree to a partnership to later be constrained by it?
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Historical data shows Jetblue enters a new market with one flight per day or a few flights per week. In contrast other carriers enter with multiple flights per day. As an example AA typically does 2.8 flights per day. What’s the result? Jetblue tests a market at off peak time, yields are unsuccessful and the market ends. Jetblue has never focused on D0 and only recently A14 while increasing turn times and “touch times” for mechanics. This isnt a about Neeleman or unions its about bad decision making from management,
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Kirby recently mentioned in their earnings report that they are limiting growth not only due to the limited number of Max 7 deliveries but also because United Airlines’ growth is constrained by their partnership. As a result, the partnership prioritizes route optimization over unilateral expansion, which raises the question at the size that they are why continually put pressure on us and take over what’s left at zero cost. Or why even agree to a partnership to later be constrained by it?
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I actually give JoJo high marks. She's been able to dangle the carrot for investors for many years now and I hope it continues (the employee carrot has fallen and molded). I think if she can continue selling "if we just __________, we'll be fine"
(Mini Mint, lounges, advancing recurrent ground school [thanks for the 6 month move-up], anything Delta or United does to be implemented in 3 years, etc).
And with all that debt, isn't there really only one way out of it? For stock holders, you'll get your 15% bump when Spirit goes out of business, but if Spirit lingers on, we'll be bankrupt by the end of summer.
It'll be an interesting earnings day on the 27th: Management will list all their accomplishments/ changes that will be overlooked by the failures during this upcoming winter storm. "We have a plan, just not when it snows this much". Here's to sunny days ahead.
(Mini Mint, lounges, advancing recurrent ground school [thanks for the 6 month move-up], anything Delta or United does to be implemented in 3 years, etc).
And with all that debt, isn't there really only one way out of it? For stock holders, you'll get your 15% bump when Spirit goes out of business, but if Spirit lingers on, we'll be bankrupt by the end of summer.
It'll be an interesting earnings day on the 27th: Management will list all their accomplishments/ changes that will be overlooked by the failures during this upcoming winter storm. "We have a plan, just not when it snows this much". Here's to sunny days ahead.
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I actually give JoJo high marks. She's been able to dangle the carrot for investors for many years now and I hope it continues (the employee carrot has fallen and molded). I think if she can continue selling "if we just __________, we'll be fine"
(Mini Mint, lounges, advancing recurrent ground school [thanks for the 6 month move-up], anything Delta or United does to be implemented in 3 years, etc).
And with all that debt, isn't there really only one way out of it? For stock holders, you'll get your 15% bump when Spirit goes out of business, but if Spirit lingers on, we'll be bankrupt by the end of summer.
It'll be an interesting earnings day on the 27th: Management will list all their accomplishments/ changes that will be overlooked by the failures during this upcoming winter storm. "We have a plan, just not when it snows this much". Here's to sunny days ahead.
(Mini Mint, lounges, advancing recurrent ground school [thanks for the 6 month move-up], anything Delta or United does to be implemented in 3 years, etc).
And with all that debt, isn't there really only one way out of it? For stock holders, you'll get your 15% bump when Spirit goes out of business, but if Spirit lingers on, we'll be bankrupt by the end of summer.
It'll be an interesting earnings day on the 27th: Management will list all their accomplishments/ changes that will be overlooked by the failures during this upcoming winter storm. "We have a plan, just not when it snows this much". Here's to sunny days ahead.
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When your non pilot financial advisor says we have about 2 years left before bankruptcy, there’s definitely urgency for change. Considering we won’t make money in 2027 either.
also we have a cost issue. Sure we can get $950 in EBIT but then you have to factor in actual expenses like interest on debt which we have A LOT of
also we have a cost issue. Sure we can get $950 in EBIT but then you have to factor in actual expenses like interest on debt which we have A LOT of
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jetblue borrowed 3 billion dollars and for that reason alone people think it won’t declare Ch11. Jetblue currently can’t pay back the money it’s borrowed without losing more money. The estimates to make money are based on a perfect macro environment, JoJos words, which jetblue hasn’t had so the loses will continue. The investors won’t allow the airline to burn through the remaining amount just because. Bankruptcy is happening.
as mentioned the 27th will be telling. Perhaps revised estimates but certainly a posted loss. Operational
efficiencies will be blamed on the government and ATC. The lone good news will come in the on going spirit saga. I’m looking forward hear the tone in Jamie Bakers voice and JG makes more excuses for the airline’s shortcomings.
as mentioned the 27th will be telling. Perhaps revised estimates but certainly a posted loss. Operational
efficiencies will be blamed on the government and ATC. The lone good news will come in the on going spirit saga. I’m looking forward hear the tone in Jamie Bakers voice and JG makes more excuses for the airline’s shortcomings.
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jetblue borrowed 3 billion dollars and for that reason alone people think it won’t declare Ch11. Jetblue currently can’t pay back the money it’s borrowed without losing more money. The estimates to make money are based on a perfect macro environment, JoJos words, which jetblue hasn’t had so the loses will continue. The investors won’t allow the airline to burn through the remaining amount just because. Bankruptcy is happening.
as mentioned the 27th will be telling. Perhaps revised estimates but certainly a posted loss. Operational
efficiencies will be blamed on the government and ATC. The lone good news will come in the on going spirit saga. I’m looking forward hear the tone in Jamie Bakers voice and JG makes more excuses for the airline’s shortcomings.
as mentioned the 27th will be telling. Perhaps revised estimates but certainly a posted loss. Operational
efficiencies will be blamed on the government and ATC. The lone good news will come in the on going spirit saga. I’m looking forward hear the tone in Jamie Bakers voice and JG makes more excuses for the airline’s shortcomings.
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