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Old 10-05-2017, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv View Post
Huh.... a govt employee's union in favor of privatization? Surely you jest.
Do you see the post office employee's hoping for privatization?
Do you see the TSA employees wanting privatization? How bout the DMV workers, or the VA?

Not saying that privatization of the FAA would be good (there are some functions that govt should just perform), just flabbergasted that you would thing the FAA employees are for cutting their FED benefits and retirement in any way.
According to NATCA’s website, they are in favor of privatization, as long as it’s a not-for-profit corporation that takes over.

https://www.natca.org/index.php/media-center/atc-reform
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:35 AM
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Yeah....the NFL is a not-for-profit organization too!

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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer View Post
I thought the Air Traffic Controller Union was in support of ATC privatization? Seems odd that the ontimeflights.org would ruffle their feathers when they're also in support of it.
I haven’t heard that from I’m anyone I know at NATCA.
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Old 10-06-2017, 04:11 AM
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The NAS in this country is outdated. Period. The tech needs updating. If done, it will be done by a not for profit enterprise. This has nothing to do with busting the controllers union and shaking costs out of them.

Controllers need to take a deep breath here.
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Old 10-06-2017, 06:29 AM
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ATC technology must be updated if JetBlue is ever going to have pilot-less aircraft... No, I'm not kidding.
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Old 10-06-2017, 07:50 AM
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It's ATC? What entity is the last to install GPS? ADS-B? Satcom? The airlines are. They consistently get waivers to not upgrade to the latest technology (single HF anyone?) and then blame ATC. Under a privatized ATC, there's no accountability to congress.

Want on time flights? Don't jam 50 pounds of groceries into a ten pound bag then complain when the bag gets wet and breaks. Every alphabet organization - most notably the NBAA - is against it. If a Falcon 7X operator that has the latest technology sees no benefit then...what's the issue again?
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:36 AM
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Our delays are systemic. You can’t turn an A320 in 30 min or a 321 in 45. You can’t turn a plane with 1 gate agent. You can’t depend on front line employees to clean your plane (FA / AO). And on and on.
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
It's ATC? What entity is the last to install GPS? ADS-B? Satcom? The airlines are. They consistently get waivers to not upgrade to the latest technology (single HF anyone?) and then blame ATC. Under a privatized ATC, there's no accountability to congress.

Want on time flights? Don't jam 50 pounds of groceries into a ten pound bag then complain when the bag gets wet and breaks. Every alphabet organization - most notably the NBAA - is against it. If a Falcon 7X operator that has the latest technology sees no benefit then...what's the issue again?

I'd rather try to get 50lbs of groceries in a 20 lb bag.

The NBAA is against it on the grounds of technology or fees? The NBAA being against something doesn't equate to the 7X not seeing ANY benefit.

"Ah ladies and gentleman, we have 3hr delays up and down the East Coast because there's a JB aircraft that departed for San Juan with only 1HF, and it broke...." (That's not why there's 3 hr delays).

Accountability to Congress....not sure what that adds up to nowadays. As in they're accountable to the people? To me, being accountable to congress just means it's a political football more than it means John Q Public has a say in things.
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
I'd rather try to get 50lbs of groceries in a 20 lb bag.

The NBAA is against it on the grounds of technology or fees? The NBAA being against something doesn't equate to the 7X not seeing ANY benefit.

"Ah ladies and gentleman, we have 3hr delays up and down the East Coast because there's a JB aircraft that departed for San Juan with only 1HF, and it broke...." (That's not why there's 3 hr delays).

Accountability to Congress....not sure what that adds up to nowadays. As in they're accountable to the people? To me, being accountable to congress just means it's a political football more than it means John Q Public has a say in things.
My point on the HF (based on parody) is we're getting a waiver for a single long range antiquated com system. Not spending money on an actual second (required by ICAO) system. The airlines drag their own feet on technology and scream...you upgrade yours. You first. It's not ATC.
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667 View Post
Our delays are systemic. You can’t turn an A320 in 30 min or a 321 in 45. You can’t turn a plane with 1 gate agent. You can’t depend on front line employees to clean your plane (FA / AO). And on and on.
You also can't board a plane to SDQ with one gate agent that doesn't speak ANY Spanish. Because you get 40 bags piled up in the forward galley. And then everything comes to a screeching stop
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