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Old 10-06-2017, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
You also can't board a plane to SDQ with one gate agent that doesn't speak ANY Spanish. Because you get 40 bags piled up in the forward galley. And then everything comes to a screeching stop
And those cause a flight to be 20 mins late. Pilots don’t time out, customers still make a connection.

VS

3 hr EDCTs. Pilots time out, people miss connections, etc.

Both cause a flight to be >14 mins late (Late in the eyes of the FAA). One is far more disruptive in terms of the operation...
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:05 PM
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And those cause a flight to be 20 mins late. Pilots don’t time out, customers still make a connection.

VS

3 hr EDCTs. Pilots time out, people miss connections, etc.

Both cause a flight to be >14 mins late (Late in the eyes of the FAA). One is far more disruptive in terms of the operation...
So why do we have 3 hr EDCTs? Let's assume the weather in Omaha and JFK is CAVU. No EDCTs in Omaha and JFK is 3 hrs delayed. Same computer systems. Same controllers. Same ATC system. So why is it?
Traffic volume disparity. Each airline trying to eek out another penny by maximizing capacity. So - and I'd really love to know this - how does a privatized ATC system magically increase flow to a finite geographical piece of concrete?

Wake recat has increased capacity a little. Time based separation (like at Heathrow) has increased it. Well, provided pilots don't screw it up by adjusting separation distances on their own because they're not used to following 2.5 miles behind a heavy.

So exactly what sort of upgrade will get rid of the EDCTs? Better computers? It's a time, rate, distance problem that can be solved on an E6B. Better radar? It's a simple scrience. We already have RVSM and ADS-B so what's the answer? What specifically eliminates EDCTs on a CAVU day in JFK. Because if I slice the JFK landings slots in half, the EDCTs go away. And controllers can manage that with a whiteboard and set of binoculars.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
So why do we have 3 hr EDCTs? Let's assume the weather in Omaha and JFK is CAVU. No EDCTs in Omaha and JFK is 3 hrs delayed. Same computer systems. Same controllers. Same ATC system. So why is it?
Traffic volume disparity. Each airline trying to eek out another penny by maximizing capacity. So - and I'd really love to know this - how does a privatized ATC system magically increase flow to a finite geographical piece of concrete?

Wake recat has increased capacity a little. Time based separation (like at Heathrow) has increased it. Well, provided pilots don't screw it up by adjusting separation distances on their own because they're not used to following 2.5 miles behind a heavy.

So exactly what sort of upgrade will get rid of the EDCTs? Better computers? It's a time, rate, distance problem that can be solved on an E6B. Better radar? It's a simple scrience. We already have RVSM and ADS-B so what's the answer? What specifically eliminates EDCTs on a CAVU day in JFK. Because if I slice the JFK landings slots in half, the EDCTs go away. And controllers can manage that with a whiteboard and set of binoculars.

How about we just go with what it is. Our operation and a poor ATC system in some of the most heavily congested airspace in the world. It's a bad combo.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
How about we just go with what it is. Our operation and a poor ATC system in some of the most heavily congested airspace in the world. It's a bad combo.
I'll go with 2/3. What specifically is poor about the ATC system? Nobody can seem to say anything other than...bad, poor, etc. if you heard, "your child is a poor student," wouldn't you want to know exactly what he/she is bad at? We can't throw generalities around without a root cause.
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Old 10-06-2017, 04:20 PM
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No coat yet. Anyone in the same boat? Is it time to start sending emails? And to whom?
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Old 10-06-2017, 05:41 PM
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No coat yet. Anyone in the same boat? Is it time to start sending emails? And to whom?
I have to laugh at this, because in true JeBue style, I received one...and I no longer work there!
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Old 10-06-2017, 05:43 PM
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I have to laugh at this, because in true JeBue style, I received one...and I no longer work there!
Lucky ba$tard-Enjoy the coat man.
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Old 10-06-2017, 06:00 PM
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I have to laugh at this, because in true JeBue style, I received one...and I no longer work there!
Congrats on fed ex. And yes I don't have the coat either.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:55 AM
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There seems to be confusion on what "privatization" means as it is currently being proposed. As a not-for-profit, with user fees (mainly paid by airlines) ATC will have an actual steady stream of income to plan for system upgrades. They currently operate under the whim of Congress and their funding which isn't consistent from year to year.

The implementation of next-gen has taken much to longer than it should have under the current system. Aircraft are required to have ADS-B but not all ATC facilities have the equipment for it. That allows for tighter separation which provides greater capacity.

Implementation of Data Comm is another example. Slow to be implemented that allows greater capacity.
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle View Post
I have to laugh at this, because in true JeBue style, I received one...and I no longer work there!

That

Is

Awesome!
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