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Old 09-30-2017, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
The problem with counting on that is the fact that B6 has a great rep with the media for being a "nice" airline. The spin would be " spoiled pilots ground airline"
We could release whatever info we wanted, and then B6 would counter with "All work groups, including the pilots, just received an 8% pay raise"
We will lose the PR battle, and after these hurricanes, the B6 rep is even better.
You guys who believe that picketing will embarrass them into a CBA, are overplaying your hand.
The only leverage we will have is when B6 cannot staff its planned growth.
Maybe they are seeing that in the near future- and that's the only hope we have.
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I don't think they'll be embarrassed into a CBA, but it is a factor.

They can try and control the narrative with the press, but we have pretty good PR guys on our side that can counter effectively. I'm not sure the company wants to get into a media battle with us. Right now everyone thinks all is well....they'll see otherwise here pretty soon.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
I don't think they'll be embarrassed into a CBA, but it is a factor.

They can try and control the narrative with the press, but we have pretty good PR guys on our side that can counter effectively. I'm not sure the company wants to get into a media battle with us. Right now everyone thinks all is well....they'll see otherwise here pretty soon.
I think most people know that anyone that knows anything won't say to anything to anyone. So no matter what people say on here we all have no clue as what is actually happening. I can hope one is coming very soon (next few months) but I am preparing like it isn't.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:30 AM
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I wouldn't be so confident. Yes I agree if things continue the way they seem to be going it won't get to that. But all it takes is the company digging in their heals and not budging on a compensation item.

As far as the administration goes I think they're a wild card. You never know what they will do. George W Bush is the last president to release a pilot group to strike.

Always a good idea to have options as far as a strike fund. I wasn't even aware that a 401K wouldn't be an option. That's a good thing though really. HELOC is another idea that's not great but I guess if your options are bankruptcy or borrow against your house it's a better option.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst.
Agreed on the HELOC. I'm not a fan of variable interest rates or encumbering a home. It doesn't account for risk. Interest rates rise, can't afford the second lien - which is what it is, a lien on your house - someone gets sick, bad things happen. Perhaps CAs that make 1/5 of a million a year have 15-20K cash reserves but the average American that has a median income of 54K lives pay check to pay check. After airline BKs, multiple job loses, JB "go to a regional for a year to add recency to your 9000 hours", student loans, an HVAC system that died and needed to be replaced, medical costs not covered by insurance, etc. we don't have 6 months reserves.

We live modestly but debt from previous years, and the current environment renders us less stable than we'd like.

Straight up, I don't cross picket lines but a prolonged strike would mean I'd consider calling my corporate contacts and putting my G-IV or C-604 type back to work to keep the mortgage current. All situations are different.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
I think most people know that anyone that knows anything won't say to anything to anyone. So no matter what people say on here we all have no clue as what is actually happening. I can hope one is coming very soon (next few months) but I am preparing like it isn't.
I had to ready your 1st sentence like 5 times...slowly...backwards once or twice...but I finally got it and yes....I agree with all of this.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
I wouldn't be so confident. Yes I agree if things continue the way they seem to be going it won't get to that. But all it takes is the company digging in their heals and not budging on a compensation item.

As far as the administration goes I think they're a wild card. You never know what they will do. George W Bush is the last president to release a pilot group to strike.

Always a good idea to have options as far as a strike fund. I wasn't even aware that a 401K wouldn't be an option. That's a good thing though really. HELOC is another idea that's not great but I guess if your options are bankruptcy or borrow against your house it's a better option.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst.
I may be wrong but I think Obama was President during the Spirit strike.
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:39 AM
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I may be wrong but I think Obama was President during the Spirit strike.
Correct. Spirit's strike was a pro-labor NMB.
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Old 09-30-2017, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
I had to ready your 1st sentence like 5 times...slowly...backwards once or twice...but I finally got it and yes....I agree with all of this.
Go grab a P2P rep that stays current with the calls and bend their ear. They're going to be the most informed as the phone calls they listen in on are a direct line to the NC and MEC.

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Old 09-30-2017, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Agreed on the HELOC. I'm not a fan of variable interest rates or encumbering a home. It doesn't account for risk. Interest rates rise, can't afford the second lien - which is what it is, a lien on your house - someone gets sick, bad things happen. Perhaps CAs that make 1/5 of a million a year have 15-20K cash reserves but the average American that has a median income of 54K lives pay check to pay check. After airline BKs, multiple job loses, JB "go to a regional for a year to add recency to your 9000 hours", student loans, an HVAC system that died and needed to be replaced, medical costs not covered by insurance, etc. we don't have 6 months reserves.

We live modestly but debt from previous years, and the current environment renders us less stable than we'd like.

Straight up, I don't cross picket lines but a prolonged strike would mean I'd consider calling my corporate contacts and putting my G-IV or C-604 type back to work to keep the mortgage current. All situations are different.
Everyone's situation is different. I personally would not want to take on more debt during a time when I'm not working, with a HELOC. But it is certainly an option for those that have equity in their homes.

ROTH IRAs are another good emergency savings option as you can withdraw your contributions. But, once it's out you can't put it back in so you lose that future tax free ROI.

All options have their advantages and drawbacks; the strongest is a few months of expenses (not income) available in a product you can access quickly like a high yield savings account. That's not a general rule for just a strike fund, it's a general rule for any life emergencies. Saving even 1-2% of your paycheck a month can add up quickly.
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Old 09-30-2017, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer
Go grab a P2P rep that stays current with the calls and bend their ear. They're going to be the most informed as the phone calls they listen in on are a direct line to the NC and MEC.
I am a P2P guy so I'm good with all that.....
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Originally Posted by likeitis
I may be wrong but I think Obama was President during the Spirit strike.
Yeah you're right I was thinking of Comair
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