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Old 05-02-2017, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Yea- Id like to know if anyone else has checked out the multiday trips. It seems many are routed through MCO with 2 plus hour sits. Very little variety. Are they trying to **** us off even more?
Its working.
There's always 32 hours in Detroit. Tiger baseball anyone?
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:59 PM
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There's always 32 hours in Detroit. Tiger baseball anyone?
So do you see any changes in the package? Im just checking if its a change in my preferences or if its universal.
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Old 05-02-2017, 03:16 PM
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Until guys stop picking up RSA's, VDA's, RTFs, going below min days off, extending FDPs to get home, commuting in 2 days before IROPs, answering their phones to get emergency assigned. Heck even flying your crap bid award, thats uncommutable on both ends, without vactions, knowing you're fatigued, pressure from the family for not being home and missing important stuff. The company has no motive to change pairings

I bid in the 1/4 top in base and I still can't hold commutable trips on the weekdays. And I'm sorry, but commuting off a reedy doesn't count. If I'm sleeping at home for 12hrs when I get home cause of crap trip, thats considered company time to me.

But in terms of June, it seems the rotate every 4 months to bases on which one gets the good ones.
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Old 05-03-2017, 03:36 AM
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What hotel are we supposed to park at when flying out of LGA? Today is my first time going there.
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Old 05-03-2017, 03:59 AM
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What hotel are we supposed to park at when flying out of LGA? Today is my first time going there.
Holiday Inn LGA Airport
37-10 114th St, Corona, NY 11368
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Old 05-03-2017, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by N311JB
Until guys stop picking up RSA's, VDA's, RTFs, going below min days off, extending FDPs to get home, commuting in 2 days before IROPs, answering their phones to get emergency assigned. Heck even flying your crap bid award, thats uncommutable on both ends, without vactions, knowing you're fatigued, pressure from the family for not being home and missing important stuff. The company has no motive to change pairings

I bid in the 1/4 top in base and I still can't hold commutable trips on the weekdays. And I'm sorry, but commuting off a reedy doesn't count. If I'm sleeping at home for 12hrs when I get home cause of crap trip, thats considered company time to me.

But in terms of June, it seems the rotate every 4 months to bases on which one gets the good ones.
Disclosure: I don't do RSA/VDA, etc. I've got 72 hrs credit this month. I've been emergency assigned twice already - my limit. What you're proposing is a boycott. There's a significant amount of data that shows boycotts don't work. My favorite is the episode of Freakonomics (entitled Do Boycotts Work). However, just a Google of "do boycotts work" will provide reference material. Whether we agree with it or not, the strategy lacks efficacy. Granted, morale is at an all time low. But there are probably stronger punches to throw than RSA/VDA. Never jab when it's time for the right hook.
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Old 05-03-2017, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Disclosure: I don't do RSA/VDA, etc. I've got 72 hrs credit this month. I've been emergency assigned twice already - my limit. What you're proposing is a boycott. There's a significant amount of data that shows boycotts don't work. My favorite is the episode of Freakonomics (entitled Do Boycotts Work). However, just a Google of "do boycotts work" will provide reference material. Whether we agree with it or not, the strategy lacks efficacy. Granted, morale is at an all time low. But there are probably stronger punches to throw than RSA/VDA. Never jab when it's time for the right hook.


No, what he is proposing is an illegal job action, and his post (and all the posts like it) can be used against us. The union does not have to actively call for the job action for the union to be fined. Precedents have indicated that the union has a duty to stop any illegal job actions by its members, even if started independently.

I know that many of us come from non Railway Labor Act places (military, corporate), but calling for people to stop picking up open time, RSA/VDA is illegal. I would prefer our dues go to productive things rather than fines.

The courts will look at all evidence. They will look at the rates of Mx write-ups to see if the pattern changes, sick calls, open time pickups, etc. If the company can show that the pattern changed for any/all of those, ALPA will probably lose.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...airways-pilots

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/199...article_mobile
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Holiday Inn LGA Airport
37-10 114th St, Corona, NY 11368
Thanks man. You saved my bacon. I was on the Cross Island about to call crew services.
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Old 05-03-2017, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
No, what he is proposing is an illegal job action, and his post (and all the posts like it) can be used against us. The union does not have to actively call for the job action for the union to be fined. Precedents have indicated that the union has a duty to stop any illegal job actions by its members, even if started independently.

I know that many of us come from non Railway Labor Act places (military, corporate), but calling for people to stop picking up open time, RSA/VDA is illegal. I would prefer our dues go to productive things rather than fines.

The courts will look at all evidence. They will look at the rates of Mx write-ups to see if the pattern changes, sick calls, open time pickups, etc. If the company can show that the pattern changed for any/all of those, ALPA will probably lose.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...airways-pilots

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/199...article_mobile
It's common to act in ones own self interest and short of a return to the Hoffa days (driving a foreign car to Ford? Yeah, gonna be tough to drive home with a broken leg) no amount of peer pressure will change that. The variability of behavior is comical and divisive. Guys drop the brake early. Guys drop the brake deliberately late. Some run the APU below 10K in the interest of "safety" then fly non-standard. Some glove up, others will push a FA out of the way to get to the hotel van. Some FLICA trade the entire flight despite admonition not to. Yeah, that's thinking of others.

The purported "culture" that was sold is fading. Or gone. In 2 and a half years I have seen less than 5 stand up PAs. Probably none in the last year or so. Had one guy that left one of our commuters 10 prior with the retort, "f$&! Him! He should have left earlier."
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Old 05-03-2017, 06:23 AM
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It's common to act in ones own self interest and short of a return to the Hoffa days (driving a foreign car to Ford? Yeah, gonna be tough to drive home with a broken leg) no amount of peer pressure will change that. The variability of behavior is comical and divisive. Guys drop the brake early. Guys drop the brake deliberately late. Some run the APU below 10K in the interest of "safety" then fly non-standard. Some glove up, others will push a FA out of the way to get to the hotel van. Some FLICA trade the entire flight despite admonition not to. Yeah, that's thinking of others.

The purported "culture" that was sold is fading. Or gone. In 2 and a half years I have seen less than 5 stand up PAs. Probably none in the last year or so. Had one guy that left one of our commuters 10 prior with the retort, "f$&! Him! He should have left earlier."
The only leverage is the staffing issue that is coming. The reason a TA will eventually arrive is not B6 caring for people, its B6 wanting to maintain growth. They have killed the "culture" myth with their idiocy.

If this month-long window doesnt produce candidates, maybe theyll face reality. Im not holding my breath.
B6...your ULCC folks.
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