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Old 09-30-2017, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
1. Itís not going to get to that.
2. Even if we got close to a strike, we would never get released, particularly with this administration.
Irregardless of your opinion on whether we would be released to strike or not, it is important for this pilot group to be ready for it. It it wasn't, we wouldn't be putting resources into family awareness events by the SPSC.
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Old 09-30-2017, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
Putting the cart waaaayyyyy before the horse here but here's my question. In the event of a strike how do deductions like dues, medical, 401K loan, disability insurance get handled. Out of pocket? In a deficit state that you make up later? Suspended? Curious how all that works. Again, doom and gloom but nothing wrong with being a prepper. A week long prepper, not one of those creepy dudes with antibiotics and IV bags stockpiled
A quick Google brought up this:Employee Health Coverage During Strikes

tl;dr is no health insurance, they must offer COBRA you can pay out of pocket unless otherwise stated in contract.

SPSC has been urging pilots to have 3-6 months of expenses available in an emergency fund incase of strike. This is something many pilots should have anyway as it is a general rule of thumb for emergencies to avoid debt.

Do not include your 401k as a resource in the event of a strike. You will not have access to it until the strike concludes.
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Old 09-30-2017, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer View Post
A quick Google brought up this:Employee Health Coverage During Strikes

tl;dr is no health insurance, they must offer COBRA you can pay out of pocket unless otherwise stated in contract.

SPSC has been urging pilots to have 3-6 months of expenses available in an emergency fund incase of strike. This is something many pilots should have anyway as it is a general rule of thumb for emergencies to avoid debt.

Do not include your 401k as a resource in the event of a strike. You will not have access to it until the strike concludes.
A Heloc is a good thing to have available.
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Old 09-30-2017, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
The way it sounded these extra sessions are only to firm up language on the AIP sections.

That's still a good sign. Maybe it indicates both sides expect an agreement in the near term and want it ready to go with real language when the big sections fall in place.


Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it. Either way I'm ready for our labor dispute by years end if need be.


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This exactly. If they didn't see the end in sight, there wouldn't be a point in putting forth effort to finalize the AIP'd sections..
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Old 09-30-2017, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
1. Itís not going to get to that.
2. Even if we got close to a strike, we would never get released, particularly with this administration.
I wouldn't be so confident. Yes I agree if things continue the way they seem to be going it won't get to that. But all it takes is the company digging in their heals and not budging on a compensation item.

As far as the administration goes I think they're a wild card. You never know what they will do. George W Bush is the last president to release a pilot group to strike.

Always a good idea to have options as far as a strike fund. I wasn't even aware that a 401K wouldn't be an option. That's a good thing though really. HELOC is another idea that's not great but I guess if your options are bankruptcy or borrow against your house it's a better option.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst.
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Old 09-30-2017, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800 View Post
I wouldn't be so confident. Yes I agree if things continue the way they seem to be going it won't get to that. But all it takes is the company digging in their heals and not budging on a compensation item.

As far as the administration goes I think they're a wild card. You never know what they will do. George W Bush is the last president to release a pilot group to strike.

Always a good idea to have options as far as a strike fund. I wasn't even aware that a 401K wouldn't be an option. That's a good thing though really. HELOC is another idea that's not great but I guess if your options are bankruptcy or borrow against your house it's a better option.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst.
Consider.....If you were in the company camp, you wouldn't want our pilot group to be financially educated and prepared for a strike. Because when the time comes to actually strike it's a lot harder to do when you don't have the resources to sustain your family.

Aside from the health insurance question, no one has answered Std Deviation's question about all those deductions when we are out of work during a strike. I'm curious too. I think 6-9 months of liquidity will be plenty for worst case scenario: extended strike, interview, and start at a new airline. Obviously the idea is our financial pain tolerance must be greater than the company's, and yours won't be if you believe we have no shot at being released.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
1. Itís not going to get to that.
2. Even if we got close to a strike, we would never get released, particularly with this administration.
Or with the last.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver View Post
Consider.....If you were in the company camp, you wouldn't want our pilot group to be financially educated and prepared for a strike. Because when the time comes to actually strike it's a lot harder to do when you don't have the resources to sustain your family.

Aside from the health insurance question, no one has answered Std Deviation's question about all those deductions when we are out of work during a strike. I'm curious too. I think 6-9 months of liquidity will be plenty for worst case scenario: extended strike, interview, and start at a new airline. Obviously the idea is our financial pain tolerance must be greater than the company's, and yours won't be if you believe we have no shot at being released.
I doubt the company could survive any lasting strike so although its a great idea to have 15-20K saved, it would be most likely be a bridge between B6 and your next airline- hopefully AA/UAL or DAL
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot View Post
I doubt the company could survive any lasting strike so although its a great idea to have 15-20K saved, it would be most likely be a bridge between B6 and your next airline- hopefully AA/UAL or DAL

It's not that JB couldn't survive a strike, it's that they wouldn't want the negative press.....like I tell everyone, we don't work for an airline, we work for a PR firm that flies aircraft.....

When a CEO blows his stack, and the company blows political and negotiating capital because they don't like "Contract Above All" luggage grips because of the optics it portrays, that's all you need to know about their priorities, and what's truly important to them.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at LSC when they're watching the big screens with local news interviewing pilots walking around in circles holding big signs in BOS, NY, FLL, MCO, etc etc......
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16 View Post
It's not that JB couldn't survive a strike, it's that they wouldn't want the negative press.....like I tell everyone, we don't work for an airline, we work for a PR firm that flies aircraft.....

When a CEO blows his stack, and the company blows political and negotiating capital because they don't like "Contract Above All" luggage grips because of the optics it portrays, that's all you need to know about their priorities, and what's truly important to them.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at LSC when they're watching the big screens with local news interviewing pilots walking around in circles holding big signs in BOS, NY, FLL, MCO, etc etc......
The problem with counting on that is the fact that B6 has a great rep with the media for being a "nice" airline. The spin would be " spoiled pilots ground airline"
We could release whatever info we wanted, and then B6 would counter with "All work groups, including the pilots, just received an 8% pay raise"
We will lose the PR battle, and after these hurricanes, the B6 rep is even better.
You guys who believe that picketing will embarrass them into a CBA, are overplaying your hand.
The only leverage we will have is when B6 cannot staff its planned growth.
Maybe they are seeing that in the near future- and that's the only hope we have.
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