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Old 02-08-2017, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
Hypothetically, lets say the first leg of a two leg 3 day red eye was cancelled. But the final leg is still on. And say hypothetically you don't want to commute to JFK to sit in the cluster for a cancelled flight. Can you be reassigned instead of that cancelled flight? Or would you hypothetically stay home and hypothetically position yourself for the last leg instead of a hypothetical commute to NYC?
They can technically reassign you up to 2-4 hours after your original show time since there are so many cancellations. Check the FSM to be sure.
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Old 02-08-2017, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
It would be great if there was a way to track who and what trips are picked up.
How would you know if someone didn't swap a trip for a different trip? Or do you have a problem with that too? What's your February schedule look like? I'd imagine based on this post you're not above 70 hours credit. Right??
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Old 02-08-2017, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
Hypothetically, lets say the first leg of a two leg 3 day red eye was cancelled. But the final leg is still on. And say hypothetically you don't want to commute to JFK to sit in the cluster for a cancelled flight. Can you be reassigned instead of that cancelled flight? Or would you hypothetically stay home and hypothetically position yourself for the last leg instead of a hypothetical commute to NYC?
I have similar but the start of longer trip. I really don't care what the manual says. How are we to get to work if all the flights are cancelled? So I'm just gonna sit my butt at home until they give me schedule I can realistically be available for. What else can they expect? For me to commute in 1, 2, 3 days prior to my trip because the weather sucks?
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Old 02-08-2017, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by slimothy View Post
So, what is RMC?
Robin's Magic Cancelator.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
Robin's Magic Cancelator.
It's not very magic because it took all night and still couldn't figure it out. It's not rocket science.
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
It would be great if there was a way to track who and what trips are picked up.
Why? So you can shame them in the fact that they worked an extra day? (And there's plenty of ways of seeing who is doing what) There is no point to it. We aren't in a strike, and they aren't scabs.

If you're so proud of achievement post your schedule, prove that you've always flown your schedule 100% never swapped or picked up a broken pairing?

Unfortunately many of us can't afford 80$ an hour. Contract will come regardless of people picking stuff up or not...

Remember that helmet on your handle bars is cool, until you fall and end up brain dead.

Don't drive this place into the ground. It's going to be cool making $300 an hour for a year.

People really gotta move on from the "don't pick up/RSA/VDA" pretty sure that voice has been heard.

On that note, stop cleaning the cabin.
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
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Don't drive this place into the ground. It's going to be cool making $300 an hour for ...
Really!!! If that's the market price for a pilot then that's what they should pay.

If Gas goes back over $100/barrel, are you going to say we should stop buying fuel for the planes too.

Get with the program.
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Old 02-09-2017, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by IrishNJ View Post
Really!!! If that's the market price for a pilot then that's what they should pay.

If Gas goes back over $100/barrel, are you going to say we should stop buying fuel for the planes too.

Get with the program.

Did I say that they shouldn't?

I'm not defending that we are paid correctly, which was never brought up in my post. I'm saying that when the company can't make money because people want to "stick it" to the company during an IROP or running three engines, it's going to be a tough lesson to explain to your kids why you can't afford mcdonalds. Furthermore, not a single person at this company has the balls to show their schedule, because guess what everyone on here, Swaps trades drops picks up. To many birds flapping their wings yet none of them are flying.

So again.. if you read my post. I said, not many of us can afford the pay here.. which pushes each of us to pick up trips, in return helping the company.

So all the people who want pay to come up and work rules to change, start flying your schedule, don't trash people for picking up. Because I bet you're surfing the FLICA wave right now, looking for that show time that's 1 minute before your other one or that cushy 1 hour DH home for 6 hours pay.

Instead of worrying about what everyone else is doing, do your thing. We lack unity at the company. The union will tell you. That's what is keeping our contract. It's going to be comical how many many people jump the line here when a strike happens. "Hunny, have you seen my blue gloves?? I have to go to work"

So yes, we aren't paid enough.
No one does anything to change it.
Everyone flaps their wings making a show, but no one flies away.
Everyone here is addicted to FLICA-- union members, captains, FO, FA1, FA2, FA3, FA4.
Use you energy to educate your workers that you're flying your schedule. Be the outlier before you judge other people for working.

And yeah, I am with the program. I pay my dues. Ill be the first inline when there is picketing and strikes.

For example. This would be a great opportunity to have the union step up and call a picket. IROP level 3? With 600 pilots at Boston and at JFK, shoveling snow for mass port and port authority instead everyone's flying.

I understand it's not the easy, but hey, next IROP we picket? Angry pax and angry pilots.. that will stir the pot.
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Old 02-09-2017, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
Did I say that they shouldn't?

It's going to be comical how many many people jump the line here when a strike happens.
I think you have some cogent points. I'd be willing to venture few people here are prepared for a strike. My father was a tool and die maker at at Ford and Chrysler. Mom didn't work. I had two younger brothers. I grew up in the 70's during the automotive strikes, layoffs, and energy crisis. We ate government peanut butter and cheese. Spam and pancakes for dinner for weeks on end.

But never crossed a line. Because with the UAW you didn't do that. And frankly if you did, they would go Hoffa on you and you would literally end of with broken fingers.

People now - even pilots - live paycheck to paycheck. I've flown with CAs and thought, you make over 200K a year, how are you so fiscally irresponsible?

Personal opinion, you'll see guys resign when a strike happens (as long as hiring continues elsewhere). Few people can financially go the distance. Sure the Spirit strike lasted one day - what if it doesn't?

On a related note, what is the purpose of the ALPA strike fund? Are we getting a stipend?

Related topic - when you make 200K a year it's easy to look down at a guy making 50-80K and tell them to not pick up time. Those guys need to remember what it felt like when a hundred bucks was a lot of money.
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Old 02-09-2017, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
I think you have some cogent points. I'd be willing to venture few people here are prepared for a strike. My father was a tool and die maker at at Ford and Chrysler. Mom didn't work. I had two younger brothers. I grew up in the 70's during the automotive strikes, layoffs, and energy crisis. We ate government peanut butter and cheese. Spam and pancakes for dinner for weeks on end.

But never crossed a line. Because with the UAW you didn't do that. And frankly if you did, they would go Hoffa on you and you would literally end of with broken fingers.

People now - even pilots - live paycheck to paycheck. I've flown with CAs and thought, you make over 200K a year, how are you so fiscally irresponsible?

Personal opinion, you'll see guys resign when a strike happens (as long as hiring continues elsewhere). Few people can financially go the distance. Sure the Spirit strike lasted one day - what if it doesn't?

On a related note, what is the purpose of the ALPA strike fund? Are we getting a stipend?

Related topic - when you make 200K a year it's easy to look down at a guy making 50-80K and tell them to not pick up time. Those guys need to remember what it felt like when a hundred bucks was a lot of money.
And I'd love to hear a successful story of a group of 3300 people. Purposefully stiffing a company for years and that turning out good.

Again, helmet on the handle bars is cool, don't complain to me when you're brain dead.
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