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02-09-2017, 10:01 AM
#2691
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
How would you know if someone didn't swap a trip for a different trip? Or do you have a problem with that too? What's your February schedule look like? I'd imagine based on this post you're not above 70 hours credit. Right??
02-09-2017, 10:09 AM
#2692
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Originally Posted by feltf4
Why? So you can shame them in the fact that they worked an extra day? (And there's plenty of ways of seeing who is doing what) There is no point to it. We aren't in a strike, and they aren't scabs.
If you're so proud of achievement post your schedule, prove that you've always flown your schedule 100% never swapped or picked up a broken pairing?
Unfortunately many of us can't afford 80$ an hour. Contract will come regardless of people picking stuff up or not...
Remember that helmet on your handle bars is cool, until you fall and end up brain dead.
Don't drive this place into the ground. It's going to be cool making $300 an hour for a year.
People really gotta move on from the "don't pick up/RSA/VDA" pretty sure that voice has been heard.
On that note, stop cleaning the cabin.
If you're so proud of achievement post your schedule, prove that you've always flown your schedule 100% never swapped or picked up a broken pairing?
Unfortunately many of us can't afford 80$ an hour. Contract will come regardless of people picking stuff up or not...
Remember that helmet on your handle bars is cool, until you fall and end up brain dead.
Don't drive this place into the ground. It's going to be cool making $300 an hour for a year.
People really gotta move on from the "don't pick up/RSA/VDA" pretty sure that voice has been heard.
On that note, stop cleaning the cabin.
The contract won't come regardless. There is not incentive for them to negotiate a contract. Our bargaining power is not greater than that of many regionals flying outside of CBA for 5 years. The pattern bargaining cycle can easily, and legally, exceed 5 or more years. Don't believe me go ask a negotiator or the ALPA lawyer. There is ZERO incentive for jetblue to provide a market rate contract in a timely manner.
Constantly picking up RSA's and VDA's negatively affects what the union is trying to do. Again, go ask the MEC or NC. Based on the airlines financials it can easily afford $300 an hour but sadly we won't get there because there is no pressure from the pilots.
Please do not mistake this commentary for "burn the house down" but in order to achieve market rate pressure must be applied. if you aren't in tune with this management group or its history then you probably do believe in unicorns and rainbows.
02-09-2017, 10:41 AM
#2693
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Originally Posted by feltf4
And I'd love to hear a successful story of a group of 3300 people. Purposefully stiffing a company for years and that turning out good.
Again, helmet on the handle bars is cool, don't complain to me when you're brain dead.
Again, helmet on the handle bars is cool, don't complain to me when you're brain dead.
This company is making LOADS of money and paying bonuses to the ELT. Don't worry so much. Oh, and stop picking up RSA/VDA. You are selling out your fellow pilots. Sorry if that makes you feel guilty.
02-09-2017, 10:42 AM
#2694
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Position: At JBLU
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgjII4CRi4
Everyone really needs to watch this. All of it.......but if you can't just watch
starting at 05:30.
Everyone really needs to watch this. All of it.......but if you can't just watch
starting at 05:30.
02-09-2017, 12:11 PM
#2695
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
This company is making LOADS of money and paying bonuses to the ELT. Don't worry so much. Oh, and stop picking up RSA/VDA. You are selling out your fellow pilots. Sorry if that makes you feel guilty.
I have sold out no one. I'm making a point that if you want change. Do your part. Unfortunatly greed runs rampant around here. Until their is unity at this place, grab your popcorn bro because it ain't changing much fast.
Stronger push toward unity in the pilot group. Less blue glovers. Might see a little change around here.
02-09-2017, 12:20 PM
#2696
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
Originally Posted by benzoate
If you want to swap into something have at it. There is a difference between that and volunteering for an RSA/VDA. The pilot group continuously making up for the airlines mistake does affect our bargaining power. These mistakes are know in management and they have stated, many times, the pilots bail them out. Why do we not have a contract or a better PEA? Because pilots do the airlines job for them. Action - consequence - result.
The contract won't come regardless. There is not incentive for them to negotiate a contract. Our bargaining power is not greater than that of many regionals flying outside of CBA for 5 years. The pattern bargaining cycle can easily, and legally, exceed 5 or more years. Don't believe me go ask a negotiator or the ALPA lawyer. There is ZERO incentive for jetblue to provide a market rate contract in a timely manner.
Constantly picking up RSA's and VDA's negatively affects what the union is trying to do. Again, go ask the MEC or NC. Based on the airlines financials it can easily afford $300 an hour but sadly we won't get there because there is no pressure from the pilots.
Please do not mistake this commentary for "burn the house down" but in order to achieve market rate pressure must be applied. if you aren't in tune with this management group or its history then you probably do believe in unicorns and rainbows.
The contract won't come regardless. There is not incentive for them to negotiate a contract. Our bargaining power is not greater than that of many regionals flying outside of CBA for 5 years. The pattern bargaining cycle can easily, and legally, exceed 5 or more years. Don't believe me go ask a negotiator or the ALPA lawyer. There is ZERO incentive for jetblue to provide a market rate contract in a timely manner.
Constantly picking up RSA's and VDA's negatively affects what the union is trying to do. Again, go ask the MEC or NC. Based on the airlines financials it can easily afford $300 an hour but sadly we won't get there because there is no pressure from the pilots.
Please do not mistake this commentary for "burn the house down" but in order to achieve market rate pressure must be applied. if you aren't in tune with this management group or its history then you probably do believe in unicorns and rainbows.
Maybe people misunderstand what I'm saying. We get that people don't want people picking up trips/RSA and VDA... unfortunatly there is always someone that's going to do it. People pointing fingers around here saying others are doing this and that, but no one in their own shoes here is willing to bid and fly exactly what was awarded to them.
The pressure needs to come on a little harder by the union. But everyone is doing it and no ones willing to stop. Bid swap FLICA alert schedules changed 100%. If my fellow co workers aren't willing to stop the picking up? Why should anyone else? So I can fly a 70hr line at 85$ an hour while Joe picks up to 130 at 120 an hour?
Sorry this seems like a sellout and a bad attitude but that's exactly the attitude around here. "She's/he's doing it so why can't I"
02-09-2017, 02:18 PM
#2697
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
Originally Posted by feltf4
Maybe people misunderstand what I'm saying. We get that people don't want people picking up trips/RSA and VDA... unfortunatly there is always someone that's going to do it. People pointing fingers around here saying others are doing this and that, but no one in their own shoes here is willing to bid and fly exactly what was awarded to them.
The pressure needs to come on a little harder by the union. But everyone is doing it and no ones willing to stop. Bid swap FLICA alert schedules changed 100%. If my fellow co workers aren't willing to stop the picking up? Why should anyone else? So I can fly a 70hr line at 85$ an hour while Joe picks up to 130 at 120 an hour?
Sorry this seems like a sellout and a bad attitude but that's exactly the attitude around here. "She's/he's doing it so why can't I"
The pressure needs to come on a little harder by the union. But everyone is doing it and no ones willing to stop. Bid swap FLICA alert schedules changed 100%. If my fellow co workers aren't willing to stop the picking up? Why should anyone else? So I can fly a 70hr line at 85$ an hour while Joe picks up to 130 at 120 an hour?
Sorry this seems like a sellout and a bad attitude but that's exactly the attitude around here. "She's/he's doing it so why can't I"
If ALPA comes out against picking up open time, that's an illegal job action. We will lose.
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