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Old 02-09-2017, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800 View Post
How would you know if someone didn't swap a trip for a different trip? Or do you have a problem with that too? What's your February schedule look like? I'd imagine based on this post you're not above 70 hours credit. Right??
There is a difference between emailing crew services volunteering for an RSA or trading into a trip. I do have an issue with RSA's as we all should. As for my credit I do my best to drop during the windows to 70. In darn near 15 years here I've paid my dues. I've done those 90 hour months. I've made sure my lifestyle does not depend on 90+ credit.
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
Why? So you can shame them in the fact that they worked an extra day? (And there's plenty of ways of seeing who is doing what) There is no point to it. We aren't in a strike, and they aren't scabs.

If you're so proud of achievement post your schedule, prove that you've always flown your schedule 100% never swapped or picked up a broken pairing?

Unfortunately many of us can't afford 80$ an hour. Contract will come regardless of people picking stuff up or not...

Remember that helmet on your handle bars is cool, until you fall and end up brain dead.

Don't drive this place into the ground. It's going to be cool making $300 an hour for a year.

People really gotta move on from the "don't pick up/RSA/VDA" pretty sure that voice has been heard.

On that note, stop cleaning the cabin.
If you want to swap into something have at it. There is a difference between that and volunteering for an RSA/VDA. The pilot group continuously making up for the airlines mistake does affect our bargaining power. These mistakes are know in management and they have stated, many times, the pilots bail them out. Why do we not have a contract or a better PEA? Because pilots do the airlines job for them. Action - consequence - result.

The contract won't come regardless. There is not incentive for them to negotiate a contract. Our bargaining power is not greater than that of many regionals flying outside of CBA for 5 years. The pattern bargaining cycle can easily, and legally, exceed 5 or more years. Don't believe me go ask a negotiator or the ALPA lawyer. There is ZERO incentive for jetblue to provide a market rate contract in a timely manner.

Constantly picking up RSA's and VDA's negatively affects what the union is trying to do. Again, go ask the MEC or NC. Based on the airlines financials it can easily afford $300 an hour but sadly we won't get there because there is no pressure from the pilots.

Please do not mistake this commentary for "burn the house down" but in order to achieve market rate pressure must be applied. if you aren't in tune with this management group or its history then you probably do believe in unicorns and rainbows.
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
And I'd love to hear a successful story of a group of 3300 people. Purposefully stiffing a company for years and that turning out good.

Again, helmet on the handle bars is cool, don't complain to me when you're brain dead.

This company is making LOADS of money and paying bonuses to the ELT. Don't worry so much. Oh, and stop picking up RSA/VDA. You are selling out your fellow pilots. Sorry if that makes you feel guilty.
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:42 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgjII4CRi4

Everyone really needs to watch this. All of it.......but if you can't just watch

starting at 05:30.
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
This company is making LOADS of money and paying bonuses to the ELT. Don't worry so much. Oh, and stop picking up RSA/VDA. You are selling out your fellow pilots. Sorry if that makes you feel guilty.
I have never picked up RSA or VDA, no guilt here.

I have sold out no one. I'm making a point that if you want change. Do your part. Unfortunatly greed runs rampant around here. Until their is unity at this place, grab your popcorn bro because it ain't changing much fast.

Stronger push toward unity in the pilot group. Less blue glovers. Might see a little change around here.
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Old 02-09-2017, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
If you want to swap into something have at it. There is a difference between that and volunteering for an RSA/VDA. The pilot group continuously making up for the airlines mistake does affect our bargaining power. These mistakes are know in management and they have stated, many times, the pilots bail them out. Why do we not have a contract or a better PEA? Because pilots do the airlines job for them. Action - consequence - result.

The contract won't come regardless. There is not incentive for them to negotiate a contract. Our bargaining power is not greater than that of many regionals flying outside of CBA for 5 years. The pattern bargaining cycle can easily, and legally, exceed 5 or more years. Don't believe me go ask a negotiator or the ALPA lawyer. There is ZERO incentive for jetblue to provide a market rate contract in a timely manner.

Constantly picking up RSA's and VDA's negatively affects what the union is trying to do. Again, go ask the MEC or NC. Based on the airlines financials it can easily afford $300 an hour but sadly we won't get there because there is no pressure from the pilots.

Please do not mistake this commentary for "burn the house down" but in order to achieve market rate pressure must be applied. if you aren't in tune with this management group or its history then you probably do believe in unicorns and rainbows.

Maybe people misunderstand what I'm saying. We get that people don't want people picking up trips/RSA and VDA... unfortunatly there is always someone that's going to do it. People pointing fingers around here saying others are doing this and that, but no one in their own shoes here is willing to bid and fly exactly what was awarded to them.

The pressure needs to come on a little harder by the union. But everyone is doing it and no ones willing to stop. Bid swap FLICA alert schedules changed 100%. If my fellow co workers aren't willing to stop the picking up? Why should anyone else? So I can fly a 70hr line at 85$ an hour while Joe picks up to 130 at 120 an hour?

Sorry this seems like a sellout and a bad attitude but that's exactly the attitude around here. "She's/he's doing it so why can't I"
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Old 02-09-2017, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
Maybe people misunderstand what I'm saying. We get that people don't want people picking up trips/RSA and VDA... unfortunatly there is always someone that's going to do it. People pointing fingers around here saying others are doing this and that, but no one in their own shoes here is willing to bid and fly exactly what was awarded to them.

The pressure needs to come on a little harder by the union. But everyone is doing it and no ones willing to stop. Bid swap FLICA alert schedules changed 100%. If my fellow co workers aren't willing to stop the picking up? Why should anyone else? So I can fly a 70hr line at 85$ an hour while Joe picks up to 130 at 120 an hour?

Sorry this seems like a sellout and a bad attitude but that's exactly the attitude around here. "She's/he's doing it so why can't I"


If ALPA comes out against picking up open time, that's an illegal job action. We will lose.
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Old 02-09-2017, 03:29 PM
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If ALPA comes out against picking up open time, that's an illegal job action. We will lose.
This. It has to be individuals choosing not to.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
This. It has to be individuals choosing not to.
Or the FO that just got a CTG, CUN, and LAX turns in the span of 1 hr via bot
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by N311JB View Post
Or the FO that just got a CTG, CUN, and LAX turns in the span of 1 hr via bot
I thought the Chief's were cracking down on that?
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