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03-16-2019, 11:09 AM
#7693
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 478
Originally Posted by nuball5
Does anyone know how this annual system bid is gonna work or why we switched from a quarterly bid? Are we going to be able to bid for certain training dates in 2020 with an annual bid?
Will it be three months later? One month? Seven? I have no crystal ball that will say with certainty. What I AM certain of is that the folks behind the curtain that "run the show" will not be able to run said show with one bid per year, ever.
03-16-2019, 11:30 AM
#7694
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: A220 CA
Posts: 601
Originally Posted by hyperboy
Remember no equipment locks for:
First upgrade.
First upgrade.
okay, i guess it really depends on what the meaning of "it" is, in the phrase "provided IT is his first Upgrade to Captain".
you are saying that what it means is that, for example, in my situation, i just received my first upgrade (to e190 captain, from 320 fo), so therefore since that is my first upgrade, i have no seat lock? i had actually been confused on what that was saying. that is good information for me, since it means i will not be seat locked. thank you.
03-16-2019, 11:32 AM
#7695
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by dontsurf
I did not know this one. Where is it in the CBA?
03-16-2019, 11:34 AM
#7696
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by dontsurf
24.K.1.a says there's a 2 year seat lock (ok, they use the term equipment freeze) unless: "He can hold an Upgrade Status on different equipment, provided it is his first Upgrade to Captain."
okay, i guess it really depends on what the meaning of "it" is, in the phrase "provided IT is his first Upgrade to Captain".
you are saying that what it means is that, for example, in my situation, i just received my first upgrade (to e190 captain, from 320 fo), so therefore since that is my first upgrade, i have no seat lock? i had actually been confused on what that was saying. that is good information for me, since it means i will not be seat locked. thank you.
okay, i guess it really depends on what the meaning of "it" is, in the phrase "provided IT is his first Upgrade to Captain".
you are saying that what it means is that, for example, in my situation, i just received my first upgrade (to e190 captain, from 320 fo), so therefore since that is my first upgrade, i have no seat lock? i had actually been confused on what that was saying. that is good information for me, since it means i will not be seat locked. thank you.
Edited to add:
Since you’re upgrading to 190CA, you’re equipment locked for 2 years now. That said, the provisions for new equipment or new bases apply, which could in theory make that not apply. But you cannot upgrade to bus captain until 2 years from when you start upgrade training, even if you could hold it earlier, since that upgrade wouldn’t be your first upgrade (unless the new equipment/base exception applies)
Last edited by BeatNavy; 03-16-2019 at 11:52 AM.
03-16-2019, 11:56 AM
#7698
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Equipment lock doesn’t not equal seat lock. Very different things.
03-16-2019, 12:07 PM
#7699
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,512
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
We kind of have both. We have equipment freezes, and status freezes for downgrade (which is essentially a seat lock), and some rules that negate all freezes. And it’s all new/changed from before with the CBA. So I guess I see where people get confused.
Yep. My post was directed to dontsurf. Should’ve quoted it. Looks like you got it all in your previous post.
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03-16-2019, 12:32 PM
#7700
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: A220 CA
Posts: 601
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Since you’re upgrading to 190CA, you’re equipment locked for 2 years now. That said, the provisions for new equipment or new bases apply, which could in theory make that not apply. But you cannot upgrade to bus captain until 2 years from when you start upgrade training, even if you could hold it earlier, since that upgrade wouldn’t be your first upgrade (unless the new equipment/base exception applies)
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