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Old 03-17-2019, 09:49 AM
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How do the other guys handle this? I know AA has international only pilots, but they also do a ton of it.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:10 AM
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So if this assumption (base within a base) came to fruition, that sure would lead to some seriously boring flying/schedules.
Some might want it I suppose, but only flying to LHR and back for year... yeah, that'll get old.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
So if this assumption (base within a base) came to fruition, that sure would lead to some seriously boring flying/schedules.
Some might want it I suppose, but only flying to LHR and back for year... yeah, that'll get old.
First, it's not technically a base within a base. Kind of semantics, kind of relevant to the discussion. A special qual class within a base would likely be a little different than a base with in a base (would be assigned SQ pairings but could fly non SQ pairings as well). Also, I don't think JB will have only one Europe destination. It'd be multiple or none I'd think. And SQ (special qual) pairings are only required per the CBA to have one segment to a SQ location. In other words, they could, in theory, have a pairing that goes like this:

Day 1/2 JFK-LHR
Day 3 LHR-BOS
Day 4 BOS-FLL (insert any other location here)
Day 5 FLL-JFK

Not saying it's likely because I have absolutely no idea how they would crack this nut if Europe is announced, but my point is there could, in theory, be some other locations thrown in on the pairings to mitigate that.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
First, it's not technically a base within a base. Kind of semantics, kind of relevant to the discussion. A special qual class within a base would likely be a little different than a base with in a base (would be assigned SQ pairings but could fly non SQ pairings as well). Also, I don't think JB will have only one Europe destination. It'd be multiple or none I'd think. And SQ (special qual) pairings are only required per the CBA to have one segment to a SQ location. In other words, they could, in theory, have a pairing that goes like this:

Day 1/2 JFK-LHR
Day 3 LHR-BOS
Day 4 BOS-FLL (insert any other location here)
Day 5 FLL-JFK

Not saying it's likely because I have absolutely no idea how they would crack this nut if Europe is announced, but my point is there could, in theory, be some other locations thrown in on the pairings to mitigate that.


It’s definitely going to be interesting
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
So if this assumption (base within a base) came to fruition, that sure would lead to some seriously boring flying/schedules.
Some might want it I suppose, but only flying to LHR and back for year... yeah, that'll get old.
Boring?
I just hope the hotel is right at the airport, right next to the runway ( I like the feel of the 'ol crashpad under 13L in South Ozone)

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Old 03-17-2019, 01:28 PM
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You went through all of that when you could have just sent a PM to hyperboy? -
If I had known! See you all there!
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Old 03-17-2019, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
First, it's not technically a base within a base. Kind of semantics, kind of relevant to the discussion. A special qual class within a base would likely be a little different than a base with in a base (would be assigned SQ pairings but could fly non SQ pairings as well). Also, I don't think JB will have only one Europe destination. It'd be multiple or none I'd think. And SQ (special qual) pairings are only required per the CBA to have one segment to a SQ location. In other words, they could, in theory, have a pairing that goes like this:

Day 1/2 JFK-LHR
Day 3 LHR-BOS
Day 4 BOS-FLL (insert any other location here)
Day 5 FLL-JFK

Not saying it's likely because I have absolutely no idea how they would crack this nut if Europe is announced, but my point is there could, in theory, be some other locations thrown in on the pairings to mitigate that.
It is a realistic scenario with AMS as well!
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:23 PM
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relevant to this discussion...how would these trips be paid? i used to be in an aa crashpad in ord, and the guys there would fly 3 trips a month. ord-bru-ord or whatever. paid 90 hours or something. worked 9 days a month. how does that work out? and is that what we will also have? (my guess: that is not what we will have).
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf View Post
relevant to this discussion...how would these trips be paid? i used to be in an aa crashpad in ord, and the guys there would fly 3 trips a month. ord-bru-ord or whatever. paid 90 hours or something. worked 9 days a month. how does that work out? and is that what we will also have? (my guess: that is not what we will have).
We will have that minus 30%. Like every thing else.
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf View Post
relevant to this discussion...how would these trips be paid? i used to be in an aa crashpad in ord, and the guys there would fly 3 trips a month. ord-bru-ord or whatever. paid 90 hours or something. worked 9 days a month. how does that work out? and is that what we will also have? (my guess: that is not what we will have).
They will be paid with the CBA's current rigs and work rules. No idea how that would play out with pairings though. I'd guess 3 day pairings for there and back which would probably be in the 17-19 hour range depending on how far east we are talking, or maybe 5 day pairings with other cities mixed in, depending on what the optimizer says is cheapest for the company. I'd be shocked if it averaged 10 hours a day of credit like the example you provided above.
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