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03-17-2019, 07:16 AM
#7721
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
They will only have a few flights/day TATL at the start. Why train 1200+/600+ pilots per base for covering 3-5x daily flights?
03-17-2019, 07:17 AM
#7722
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by nuball5
Maybe not the entire base, but they’d be smart to train the majority. How many times do you see during IROPs, Airbus crews covering 190 flying and vice versa? Six inches of snow and scheduling will try and reroute a non-TATL crew on a London flight...just watch.
03-17-2019, 08:11 AM
#7723
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
JB doesn't do FLL international that way. Unless something has changed all FLL pilots get Red Line qualified.
I really hope they don't do a small group of international within BOS/JFK A320 pilots.
I really hope they don't do a small group of international within BOS/JFK A320 pilots.
24.V basically leaves it up to the company how they want to do it: a separate SQ class within base, or make the whole base a SQ (like FLL). I’m guessing they won’t make all of JFK/BOS a SQ for a handful of europe routes. Especially initially. But I am obviously not in the loop. I just have rumor and the CBA to go off of for my predictions.
03-17-2019, 08:46 AM
#7724
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
The original question asked if all JB airbus pilots would be Europe trained or would it be a separate category of bidding. The rumor I spread in the post you appear to be responding to said that it would be a separate category. The FLL portion I referenced was relating a special qual crew class to a small number of pilots, not the entire airbus pilot group...in other words they are a "SQ" base. I further explained in a subsequent post (below). Sorry the first post referencing FLL wasn't clear.
03-17-2019, 08:59 AM
#7725
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,512
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Copy all. I was thinking base-within-a-base subcategory of international pilots. Hope JB doesn't do that.
I do. Category within a category means more pilots required.
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03-17-2019, 09:13 AM
#7726
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
I do. Category within a category means more pilots required.
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2. It's very limiting for pilot schedule bidding.
3. Not at BlueJet.
03-17-2019, 09:18 AM
#7727
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Copy all. I was thinking base-within-a-base subcategory of international pilots. Hope JB doesn't do that.
But it sure would be sad if, in an IROP, we canceled a precious Europe mint flight because of lack of crews, when we have tons of "basic international" qualified airbus crews sitting around who didn't have the special route qual.
When I asked why JB doesn't qual everyone for red line flying, the answer I got was that they wanted the same people to be flying there with some regularity with the threats (terrain, language barriers, procedures) those destinations can present. I wouldn't think the same argument would exist for most of the Europe routes, but I have no idea. We haven't even announced the flying yet. Guess we will know more in 3ish weeks.
03-17-2019, 09:24 AM
#7728
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
I do. Category within a category means more pilots required.
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03-17-2019, 09:28 AM
#7729
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
I agree, but if the CKA I was talking about it to is to be believed (I take all rumors with a grain of salt), it will be that way, at least initially. He had specific numbers that were being thrown around (40 in BOS and 40 in JFK) for the initial Europe SQ class. Who knows, maybe that just got made up somewhere. But, since JB has only its FLL crews (less than 600 total) red line qual'd, I don't see see them qual'ing all ~2,000 BOS+JFK crews (or all ~3,000 airbus crews for that matter) on Europe stuff.
But it sure would be sad if, in an IROP, we canceled a precious Europe mint flight because of lack of crews, when we have tons of "basic international" qualified airbus crews sitting around who didn't have the special route qual.
When I asked why JB doesn't qual everyone for red line flying, the answer I got was that they wanted the same people to be flying there with some regularity with the threats (terrain, language barriers, procedures) those destinations can present. I wouldn't think the same argument would exist for most of the Europe routes, but I have no idea. We haven't even announced the flying yet. ****Guess we will know more in 3ish weeks.****
But it sure would be sad if, in an IROP, we canceled a precious Europe mint flight because of lack of crews, when we have tons of "basic international" qualified airbus crews sitting around who didn't have the special route qual.
When I asked why JB doesn't qual everyone for red line flying, the answer I got was that they wanted the same people to be flying there with some regularity with the threats (terrain, language barriers, procedures) those destinations can present. I wouldn't think the same argument would exist for most of the Europe routes, but I have no idea. We haven't even announced the flying yet. ****Guess we will know more in 3ish weeks.****
03-17-2019, 09:46 AM
#7730
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I'm trying so hard to get us tickets! I had a bot built make sure I get these super high-demand tickets.
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