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Old 11-24-2017, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver View Post
The talk on the line at AS is that they're expecting an eventual merger with us as well. Except they think the combined company would retain the Alaska brand and product

Their management is similar to ours: hostile to labor, anti-pilot, cheap, and think workers should be happy to make less than their peers for the privilege of living on the west coast. Hate to say it, but I'd rather have the clowns who currently run JB running the merged entity than their management.
Their management is also behind the times and are lagging the rest of the industry in a lot of different categories. That is proving to be their achillies heal, as seen by this merger.
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:11 PM
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With the way they have mismanaged Alaska there is no way their management wins that battle.

Jetblue management wins and the jetblue name lives on.

Alaska management wins and the Alaska name lives on.

Which one do you think is more likely?


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Old 11-24-2017, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
With the way they have mismanaged Alaska there is no way their management wins that battle.

Jetblue management wins and the jetblue name lives on.

Alaska management wins and the Alaska name lives on.

Which one do you think is more likely?


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My guess is the VX purchase becomes an albatross for Alaska, they declare bankruptcy to discharge the debt, then they are purchased by.... wait for it....
Delta.

We are too cheap to grow now, and we lack vision.

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Old 11-24-2017, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
My guess is the VX purchase becomes an albatross for Alaska, the declare bankruptcy to discharge the debt, then they are purchased by.... wait for it....
Delta.

We are too cheap to grow now, and we lack vision.
We had more vision than Alaska did trying to buy VX. They bought it out of desperation. We would have had a seamless merger.

Nobody is going to let Delta buy a LCC.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87 View Post
We had more vision than Alaska did trying to buy VX. They bought it out of desperation. We would have had a seamless merger.

Nobody is going to let Delta buy a LCC.
But we didn't, and now we are floundering.
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Old 11-24-2017, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
But we didn't, and now we are floundering.
Dude we have some of the best margins in the industry. We are far from floundering. And no that's not a we are so awesome it's just a fact

We tried to buy them but there is a point just like anything in life where it is beyond what you can afford. That purchase was life or death for ALK. Yes it really would have helped us in the west but honestly our weak west coast isn't killing us, it's just not as strong as our east operation.

Now I agree I don't know where we are going but I do know the company is actually very strong financially. Far from floundering.
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Old 11-24-2017, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver View Post
The talk on the line at AS is that they're expecting an eventual merger with us as well. Except they think the combined company would retain the Alaska brand and product

Their management is similar to ours: hostile to labor, anti-pilot, cheap, and think workers should be happy to make less than their peers for the privilege of living on the west coast. Hate to say it, but I'd rather have the clowns who currently run JB running the merged entity than their management.

The ALK brand and product?
No nothing against them but I doubt that very much. Heck they are already losing the VA customers to us. Like it or not JetBlue would be the better name, and yes I agree that one day we merge.
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:15 PM
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Floundering or lost at sea or rudderless or adrift.

Take your pick!

High margins ... great! Instead let us celebrate lowest costs!

We are the lowest paid in the industry ... great margins too!

These great margins where supposed to fuel market disruption. Instead ELT has no plan in place to disrupt the market place other than Mint and ELT has already admitted that its growth is running out of steam.

The catch phase now is that a new route has to earn its way into the system by covering its cost of capital. Which is like saying - we are not expanding into new regions.
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Old 11-25-2017, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork View Post
Floundering or lost at sea or rudderless or adrift.

Take your pick!

High margins ... great! Instead let us celebrate lowest costs!

We are the lowest paid in the industry ... great margins too!

These great margins where supposed to fuel market disruption. Instead ELT has no plan in place to disrupt the market place other than Mint and ELT has already admitted that its growth is running out of steam.

The catch phase now is that a new route has to earn its way into the system by covering its cost of capital. Which is like saying - we are not expanding into new regions.
We actually arenít the lowest paid. We are however desperately underpaid. Letís keep it factual. Also management has never stated or alluded to the fact that mint is losing steam. Carry on!
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Old 11-25-2017, 03:37 AM
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I'd rather see us try to capitalize on our positions where we have strength (NY/BOS/FL) to launch new markets abroad rather than pick up table scraps around California. Whether that's the 321LR or 330 is another issue..All the meanwhile continue to add 3-4 midwest cities a year.
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