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Old 12-01-2017, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707 View Post
I don't understand this whole "pax can't get off or on an airplane" if they habe a boarding pass. The pax could have gotten off, and they did, to retrieve their laptop, because TSA won't release an item to someone that doesn't belong to them.
I do remember something about the TSA not releasing stuff. Most of the time itís a cell phone charging up at the gate. Again I have no problem with going up to retrieve it.
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:04 AM
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They canít leave because no one knows if they are leaving a carry on bag aboard. Itís a TSA rule.
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:10 AM
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I'm all for helping a customer , I have to remind my self from time to time they are the ones who support my paycheck. But that check airmen you described is not helping his/our profession. He may think he is , (brainwashed) by the company. But in my opinion he isn't .
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707 View Post
He is talking about a stand up, facing pax from the front of the cabin PA announcement with the same speech and jokes you have to listen to during a 4 day trip.

On a recent commute on us, the CA was at the door at boarding, helping people to their seats, gate checking bags!! and wanted go be the hero retrieving a left behind laptop at TSA. He was pushing wheel chairs upon arrival and had blue gloves on before I even got out of my seat. He was a check airman, but clearly also wants to be a FA, gate agent and wheelchair pusher.

Utter embarrassment! Have some f'ing pride in your profession!
Been following these threads for a while as I consider JB. I work for "the worst" regional, and even there, I help out the pax. Maybe motivated by a "we're all in this together" attitude? Anyway, say I were a JB pilot. It would be bad if I were to help the pax? That's confusing to me, because isn't that JB's thing? Does this forum represent the prevailing attitude on the line at JB? If you had a new contract, would it be ok to help the passengers then?

For example, people in wheelchairs get screwed over by the airlines because the contractors in charge of that stuff are under staffed and poorly run so, sometimes, I'll go get the wheelchair to move things along. This might be because I want to move on to my next flight or because I just feel bad for them. Especially the elderly. This isn't really considered a taboo thing to do at my regional. Just being a fellow human. This is bad to do at JB?

Another example: After a flight, I'll probably cross a few seatbelts. The FAs may have offered me food, so it's something I can do to help them out in return. They also may be my friends, and we might hang out later, or maybe I just want to have a friendly trip and get along with everyone. Also bad at JB?

I sometimes take left items to the gate agent as well. Passports, wallets, iPads...sucks to lose that stuff. Bad?
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667 View Post
They canít leave because no one knows if they are leaving a carry on bag aboard. Itís a TSA rule.
Itís not....
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Old 12-01-2017, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by whyvee View Post
Been following these threads for a while as I consider JB. I work for "the worst" regional, and even there, I help out the pax. Maybe motivated by a "we're all in this together" attitude? Anyway, say I were a JB pilot. It would be bad if I were to help the pax? That's confusing to me, because isn't that JB's thing? Does this forum represent the prevailing attitude on the line at JB? If you had a new contract, would it be ok to help the passengers then?

For example, people in wheelchairs get screwed over by the airlines because the contractors in charge of that stuff are under staffed and poorly run so, sometimes, I'll go get the wheelchair to move things along. This might be because I want to move on to my next flight or because I just feel bad for them. Especially the elderly. This isn't really considered a taboo thing to do at my regional. Just being a fellow human. This is bad to do at JB?

Another example: After a flight, I'll probably cross a few seatbelts. The FAs may have offered me food, so it's something I can do to help them out in return. They also may be my friends, and we might hang out later, or maybe I just want to have a friendly trip and get along with everyone. Also bad at JB?

I sometimes take left items to the gate agent as well. Passports, wallets, iPads...sucks to lose that stuff. Bad?
The thing is that the company will suck all your compassion right out of you, little by little.

The big problem now is that more and more pilots have their GAS meters pegged at or below zero. The longer the company drags out contract negotiations, the more pilots get to a point of no return. Their GAS meters will be permanently damaged. That would be bad news for a company that prides itself on customer relations.

Contract Above All.

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Old 12-01-2017, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by whyvee View Post
Been following these threads for a while as I consider JB. I work for "the worst" regional, and even there, I help out the pax. Maybe motivated by a "we're all in this together" attitude? Anyway, say I were a JB pilot. It would be bad if I were to help the pax? That's confusing to me, because isn't that JB's thing? Does this forum represent the prevailing attitude on the line at JB? If you had a new contract, would it be ok to help the passengers then?

For example, people in wheelchairs get screwed over by the airlines because the contractors in charge of that stuff are under staffed and poorly run so, sometimes, I'll go get the wheelchair to move things along. This might be because I want to move on to my next flight or because I just feel bad for them. Especially the elderly. This isn't really considered a taboo thing to do at my regional. Just being a fellow human. This is bad to do at JB?

Another example: After a flight, I'll probably cross a few seatbelts. The FAs may have offered me food, so it's something I can do to help them out in return. They also may be my friends, and we might hang out later, or maybe I just want to have a friendly trip and get along with everyone. Also bad at JB?

I sometimes take left items to the gate agent as well. Passports, wallets, iPads...sucks to lose that stuff. Bad?
There are widely varying opinions on this. I think the prevailing attitude right now is ďdonít do anything not explicitly required until further notice.Ē

I have caught crap on our internal forum because Iíll walk UMs up the jet bridge, so they arenít sitting there waiting. Like your wheelchair example, these kids arenít responsible for our labor dispute, but itís not one of our duties, so people donít want us doing it.

Wheelchairs are a no go for me not only due to the negotiations, but also I think the company could contest a workerís compensation claim for an injury occurred outside of my prescribed duties. But Iím not too proud to admit that sounds a bit paranoid.

Once we see a CBA I think youíll see our good will return and a willingness to go the extra mile for the company. But not before then.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:22 AM
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I appreciate the previous two posters' non-flame answers to my non-flame question. Labor disputes suck. Not something I want to be part of, and a reason I declined to interview with a couple of other airlines. In the past, JB has seemed to me like a pretty good place from the outside, so giving this one a little more consideration.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:08 AM
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I appreciate the previous two posters' non-flame answers to my non-flame question. Labor disputes suck. Not something I want to be part of, and a reason I declined to interview with a couple of other airlines. In the past, JB has seemed to me like a pretty good place from the outside, so giving this one a little more consideration.
A contract will come, and I expect it to be a pretty damn good one, though I donít dare hazard a guess as to a timeline. My deeper concerns about a career here is not the length of negotiations, itís the length of upgrade, and overall lack of retirements. Iíve flown with a few guys in double digit seniority and theyíve been only 5 or 10 years older than I.

All of this is to say that if you are truly at the worldís worst regional, come fly bigger planes here, it will be better than ďthe worst regional,Ē but it wouldnít hurt to keep your apps open. Like you, probably, I just want to be done with the job hunt, and get where Iím going, but I think that there are places that would be far better for my familyís future. If you are on the younger side, and you can hang around long enough to benefit from eventual retirements, maybe this place is for you. Drop an app, accept the interview, taste the kool aid, then make a decision, everybodyís situation is unique, best of luck to you.

Thatís my $0.02.

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Old 12-01-2017, 09:19 AM
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A contract will come, and I expect it to be a pretty damn good one, though I donít dare hazard a guess as to a timeline. My deeper concerns about a career here is not the length of negotiations, itís the length of upgrade, and overall lack of retirements. Iíve flown with a few guys in double digit seniority and theyíve been only 5 or 10 years older than I.

All of this is to say that if you are truly at the worldís worst regional, come fly bigger planes here, it will be better than ďthe worst regional,Ē but it wouldnít hurt to keep your apps open. Like you, probably, I just want to be done with the job hunt, and get where Iím going, but I think that there are places that would be far better for my familyís future. If you are on the younger side, and you can hang around long enough to benefit from eventual retirements, maybe this place is for you. Drop an app, accept the interview, taste the look aid, then make a decision, everybodyís situation is unique, best of luck to you.

Thatís my $0.02.
Could not agree more.
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