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Old 11-25-2017, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
I'd rather see us try to capitalize on our positions where we have strength (NY/BOS/FL) to launch new markets abroad rather than pick up table scraps around California. Whether that's the 321LR or 330 is another issue..All the meanwhile continue to add 3-4 midwest cities a year.

Agreed. That way we can loose another 7000 hours of of block flying due to a hurricane or snow storm. We should not expand in areas that can provide revenue while the east coast melts down 5 times a year.
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork View Post
Floundering or lost at sea or rudderless or adrift.

Take your pick!

High margins ... great! Instead let us celebrate lowest costs!

We are the lowest paid in the industry ... great margins too!

These great margins where supposed to fuel market disruption. Instead ELT has no plan in place to disrupt the market place other than Mint and ELT has already admitted that its growth is running out of steam.

The catch phase now is that a new route has to earn its way into the system by covering its cost of capital. Which is like saying - we are not expanding into new regions.
Canít expand into new regions while adding frequency on current profitable routes.
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667 View Post
Agreed. That way we can loose another 7000 hours of of block flying due to a hurricane or snow storm. We should not expand in areas that can provide revenue while the east coast melts down 5 times a year.
Abroad with a 321LR or 330 could be over half the world.

But I like your idea. Stick to Arizona and California flying...that way we never see snow or a hurricane and can operate flights that net us $100/flight.
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork View Post
Floundering or lost at sea or rudderless or adrift.

Take your pick!

High margins ... great! Instead let us celebrate lowest costs!

We are the lowest paid in the industry ... great margins too!

These great margins where supposed to fuel market disruption. Instead ELT has no plan in place to disrupt the market place other than Mint and ELT has already admitted that its growth is running out of steam.

The catch phase now is that a new route has to earn its way into the system by covering its cost of capital. Which is like saying - we are not expanding into new regions.

Yeah who wants high margins gosh I wish we werenít a financially successful airline. I agree we need the contract yesterday but us being in good financial shape is not a bad thing.

Since I have been here they have always said we need to earn our place (think Dave barger) this is nothing new. Also are you really going to launch new routes unless you know they will turn a profit?

As far as mint where did they say itís running out of steam. It has totally changed things for some of our worst routes. Now Delta is starting to put Delta 1 on our mint routes.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...on-more-d.aspx
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Old 11-25-2017, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
Abroad with a 321LR or 330 could be over half the world.

But I like your idea. Stick to Arizona and California flying...that way we never see snow or a hurricane and can operate flights that net us $100/flight.
And crossing the untapped NAT market in a plane that is too small is genius. Talk about razor thin margins.

West Coast expansion is about business continuity and survival rather than innovation.

Debating this is just sport and all in good fun.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
Yeah who wants high margins gosh I wish we werenít a financially successful airline. I agree we need the contract yesterday but us being in good financial shape is not a bad thing.

Since I have been here they have always said we need to earn our place (think Dave barger) this is nothing new. Also are you really going to launch new routes unless you know they will turn a profit?

As far as mint where did they say itís running out of steam. It has totally changed things for some of our worst routes. Now Delta is starting to put Delta 1 on our mint routes.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/...on-more-d.aspx
Well, with our company wide s#*t pay rates we would have great margins on any route we fly.

Make no mistake, our margins are fat because our whole employee force is underpaid, not because our company is efficient in any way.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
Well, with our company wide s#*t pay rates we would have great margins on any route we fly.

Make no mistake, our margins are fat because our whole employee force is underpaid, not because our company is efficient in any way.
Don't make the company's argument for them. A false argument at that. You infer that if when we get a contract on par with our peers (UA, DL, AA, SWA) that somehow our cost structure would no longer allow us to be competitive.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Labor is NEVER the reason an airline is profitable or competitive. WHEN we get that peer-standard contract, JB will still be cost competitive.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16 View Post
Don't make the company's argument for them. A false argument at that. You infer that if when we get a contract on par with our peers (UA, DL, AA, SWA) that somehow our cost structure would no longer allow us to be competitive.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Labor is NEVER the reason an airline is profitable or competitive. WHEN we get that peer-standard contract, JB will still be cost competitive.

What this guy said.
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:07 AM
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We actually arenít the lowest paid. We are however desperately underpaid. Letís keep it factual. Also management has never stated or alluded to the fact that mint is losing steam. Carry on!
Robin said to not expect the new MINT routes to preform as well as the first MINT routes.

Then Marty said there is no plan for a 60, 80 or 100 (Mint) airplanes.

IOW, for the slow crowd were running out of places to fly it. Not tomorrow but within a few short years domestically we would have shot our Mint wad.
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
Yeah who wants high margins gosh I wish we weren’t a financially successful airline.[/url]
We are also the most productive.

Awesome.

Lets throw and "We are the Most Productive Party" and celebrate our most productiveness and high marginess.

Oh wait ... can't get the time off since we have no work rules.

Scratch 98% of the pilot group off the invite list.

Please have management post pictures of the party on HelloJetblue under 'thanks for all you do we really appreciate it'

They do!

We have high margins and we are the most productive.

We are so b'itchen!!
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