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05-12-2016, 03:57 AM
#61
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To continue the discussion about the CBA in this thread.
At the last union meeting I attended the ALPA counselor did say that before everything went smooth. So far. But as soon a they touched the important stuff, like scheduling and pay, the entire thing changed. The company it's starting oceans apart from anything decent. Even worst than what we have now.
So I would not be very optimistic for a short negotiation.
It was also mention that obviously picking up RSA etc during negotiations takes away our leverage. That would be illegal for the union to ban that, but it would be nice that the pilots are educated about it.
The Spirit pilots group already has circulated an unofficial pamphlet. Let's remember they were the group that fought and obtained one of the best CBAs around just few years back. Because of that CBA they make more money than us, not on a per hour base, but comparing pairings yes. They have better rules, better rigs, better flexibilities, better protections, better QOL.
And yet they are already preparing to negotiate tough. Because they know what it takes.
Are we going to have the same balls?
At the last union meeting I attended the ALPA counselor did say that before everything went smooth. So far. But as soon a they touched the important stuff, like scheduling and pay, the entire thing changed. The company it's starting oceans apart from anything decent. Even worst than what we have now.
So I would not be very optimistic for a short negotiation.
It was also mention that obviously picking up RSA etc during negotiations takes away our leverage. That would be illegal for the union to ban that, but it would be nice that the pilots are educated about it.
The Spirit pilots group already has circulated an unofficial pamphlet. Let's remember they were the group that fought and obtained one of the best CBAs around just few years back. Because of that CBA they make more money than us, not on a per hour base, but comparing pairings yes. They have better rules, better rigs, better flexibilities, better protections, better QOL.
And yet they are already preparing to negotiate tough. Because they know what it takes.
Are we going to have the same balls?
05-12-2016, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueBlood
To continue the discussion about the CBA in this thread.
At the last union meeting I attended the ALPA counselor did say that before everything went smooth. So far. But as soon a they touched the important stuff, like scheduling and pay, the entire thing changed. The company it's starting oceans apart from anything decent. Even worst than what we have now.
So I would not be very optimistic for a short negotiation.
It was also mention that obviously picking up RSA etc during negotiations takes away our leverage. That would be illegal for the union to ban that, but it would be nice that the pilots are educated about it.
The Spirit pilots group already has circulated an unofficial pamphlet. Let's remember they were the group that fought and obtained one of the best CBAs around just few years back. Because of that CBA they make more money than us, not on a per hour base, but comparing pairings yes. They have better rules, better rigs, better flexibilities, better protections, better QOL.
And yet they are already preparing to negotiate tough. Because they know what it takes.
Are we going to have the same balls?
At the last union meeting I attended the ALPA counselor did say that before everything went smooth. So far. But as soon a they touched the important stuff, like scheduling and pay, the entire thing changed. The company it's starting oceans apart from anything decent. Even worst than what we have now.
So I would not be very optimistic for a short negotiation.
It was also mention that obviously picking up RSA etc during negotiations takes away our leverage. That would be illegal for the union to ban that, but it would be nice that the pilots are educated about it.
The Spirit pilots group already has circulated an unofficial pamphlet. Let's remember they were the group that fought and obtained one of the best CBAs around just few years back. Because of that CBA they make more money than us, not on a per hour base, but comparing pairings yes. They have better rules, better rigs, better flexibilities, better protections, better QOL.
And yet they are already preparing to negotiate tough. Because they know what it takes.
Are we going to have the same balls?
05-12-2016, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mike12345
Wait. They're trying to pay us less? We're not all ab initio yet.
05-12-2016, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker
If they are honestly trying to pay us less, this will be the last JD Power award we ever win.
it's not gonna happen, but they'd like to. that's management's job.
05-12-2016, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteHammer
I recently looked into what FOs can make at Fedex. I was suprised to see that 2-4 year FOs can easily make 200K a year. I don't even want to mention what Captains can make. I know we don't compete with them as a company and we don't have wide bodies. But pilots are pilots and the company has to pay for it's work force. In my opinion all pilots at air carriers are under paid. Even united's new contract is not enough. The companies are making tons of money. Why are we not getting paid what other pilots are making. How does Fedex afford it? Air carrier companies can afford it too, but we allow them to disrespect our carreer, experience, training, and abilities. It's not any harder to fly a wide body overseas than it is going to and from NY and BOS 3-4 times a day, or flying to some island where you can't understand the controller. It's time for companies to pay pilots based on being pilots and not use the excuse of who they compete with on routes.
The union can't legally tell us not to do it, but we can inform each other of the devastating effects they have on our leverage, especially in times of negotiation.
Next time you fly with someone that picked up an RSA, ask him if he understands that by doing that effecting our CBA.
05-12-2016, 03:01 PM
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Let's never forget CEO compensation when we discuss what and how we get paid. I believe UAL's last CEO, a Mr. Smisek, received $37 million in cash and parting gifts for his excellent work while at the helm. We should all be so lucky to get a small taste of that.
05-12-2016, 05:20 PM
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Really?
Originally Posted by BlueBlood
To continue the discussion about the CBA in this thread.
At the last union meeting I attended the ALPA counselor did say that before everything went smooth. So far. But as soon a they touched the important stuff, like scheduling and pay, the entire thing changed. The company it's starting oceans apart from anything decent. Even worst than what we have now.
So I would not be very optimistic for a short negotiation.
It was also mention that obviously picking up RSA etc during negotiations takes away our leverage. That would be illegal for the union to ban that, but it would be nice that the pilots are educated about it.
The Spirit pilots group already has circulated an unofficial pamphlet. Let's remember they were the group that fought and obtained one of the best CBAs around just few years back. Because of that CBA they make more money than us, not on a per hour base, but comparing pairings yes. They have better rules, better rigs, better flexibilities, better protections, better QOL.
And yet they are already preparing to negotiate tough. Because they know what it takes.
Are we going to have the same balls?
At the last union meeting I attended the ALPA counselor did say that before everything went smooth. So far. But as soon a they touched the important stuff, like scheduling and pay, the entire thing changed. The company it's starting oceans apart from anything decent. Even worst than what we have now.
So I would not be very optimistic for a short negotiation.
It was also mention that obviously picking up RSA etc during negotiations takes away our leverage. That would be illegal for the union to ban that, but it would be nice that the pilots are educated about it.
The Spirit pilots group already has circulated an unofficial pamphlet. Let's remember they were the group that fought and obtained one of the best CBAs around just few years back. Because of that CBA they make more money than us, not on a per hour base, but comparing pairings yes. They have better rules, better rigs, better flexibilities, better protections, better QOL.
And yet they are already preparing to negotiate tough. Because they know what it takes.
Are we going to have the same balls?
05-12-2016, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
This is obviously your opinion?! Some work rules may be better but not the total package. Management is awful over there! We are interviewing Spirit pilots here for jobs Better of QOL?......maybe I should get my stuff in over there...sounds awesome...lol.
There are legacy pilots leaving their current companies to go to other legacies, so the fact we interviewed few spirit pilots it's not relevant, as I am sure the opposite might have happen as well.
But we are not talking about spirit here. We are talking about our own ability to exercise leverage during negotiations.
The question is: do you still want to pick RSAs?
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