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05-13-2016, 04:05 AM
#81
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Originally Posted by OVBIII
I am still in my first year at B6, and I have learned a lot from y'alls CBA discussions. While they can be heated, at least it's being discussed.
That said, I know we have all talked on here about what the CBA will do to RSV rules, and overall QOL. Once the CBA is implemented (2017?), do you see CA upgrades going to the 10 year point? I don't see them staying at the 4 year average. Thoughts?
That said, I know we have all talked on here about what the CBA will do to RSV rules, and overall QOL. Once the CBA is implemented (2017?), do you see CA upgrades going to the 10 year point? I don't see them staying at the 4 year average. Thoughts?
I'm not sure about exact numbers however, barring a large A/C order, upgrade times are going to go up significantly. it's a bit hard to see exactly how much, since we can't easily see how many of the guys/gals who bypassed are trying to upgrade currently. Safe to say, that number will be significant. My guess, and it purely is a guess, is that we will be trending towards 7-8 year upgrades with all the movement.
05-13-2016, 04:17 AM
#82
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Originally Posted by OVBIII
I am still in my first year at B6, and I have learned a lot from y'alls CBA discussions. While they can be heated, at least it's being discussed.
That said, I know we have all talked on here about what the CBA will do to RSV rules, and overall QOL. Once the CBA is implemented (2017?), do you see CA upgrades going to the 10 year point? I don't see them staying at the 4 year average. Thoughts?
That said, I know we have all talked on here about what the CBA will do to RSV rules, and overall QOL. Once the CBA is implemented (2017?), do you see CA upgrades going to the 10 year point? I don't see them staying at the 4 year average. Thoughts?
Will it go to 10, not yet, will it stay 3-4 highly doubt it. Unless there's another aircraft order the hiring will slow to a trickle after 2022. 100ish retirements/yr and bottom churn will be the only motion. Again jmo, but anyone on property today will have an opportunity to sit in the left seat in the next 5-10. Anyone hired moving forward should be prepared for FO pay scales for a long time.
05-13-2016, 04:25 AM
#83
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Nah.
Same guys who like holding their good FO lines are going to like them even more with the pay increase. Unless we get paid commutes in from home, you'll still be spending 3 nights a week with your besties in the Kew.
Even with a new contract being mid to low seniority will guarantee you night flying and DR/Kingston/POS runs ad naseum.
Again, I'll point to Delta at NY. Same scenario. Lots of guys who commute, most would prefer to stay an FO flying decent trips making OK money.
*Find me an airline who's most JR base isn't in NY.... Combine that with the fact that almost 50% of our flying touches the NY area and there's your answer as to why we'll have relatively JR captains for a long time.*
Same guys who like holding their good FO lines are going to like them even more with the pay increase. Unless we get paid commutes in from home, you'll still be spending 3 nights a week with your besties in the Kew.
Even with a new contract being mid to low seniority will guarantee you night flying and DR/Kingston/POS runs ad naseum.
Again, I'll point to Delta at NY. Same scenario. Lots of guys who commute, most would prefer to stay an FO flying decent trips making OK money.
*Find me an airline who's most JR base isn't in NY.... Combine that with the fact that almost 50% of our flying touches the NY area and there's your answer as to why we'll have relatively JR captains for a long time.*
05-13-2016, 08:29 AM
#84
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Originally Posted by BlueBlood
I am well aware where we are in the negotiations. From what I heard, what I refer to happened at the very begging and started form an informal bluff from management. Again I might be wrong, I wasn't there.
But the bottom line is spirit got their industry leading contract few years back thorough unity and not giving up leverage during negotiations. Do you want to dispute that fact too?
Do you pick up RSAs Grim?
But the bottom line is spirit got their industry leading contract few years back thorough unity and not giving up leverage during negotiations. Do you want to dispute that fact too?
Do you pick up RSAs Grim?
05-13-2016, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by grim04
Dude I don't care about spirit all u know is our union never entertained that idea and it was NEVER brought to the table by the company. Also I have never picked up a single RSA in the 10 to 15 years I've been here. It's bad for the pilots because it allows less pilots on property and the rest of us to get abused. But please tell whoever you heard that meaningless dribble from to shut his mouth
We got to educate everyone of the importance of not giving out leverage during negotiation. Don't pick up RSAs.
I don't understand how you been here 10 to 15 years though, that's a pretty big gap. But to tell you the truth I don't even care.
Just everybody let's do ourself a favor, and stop picking up RSAs.
And I am starting to think the same about requesting VDAs too.
05-13-2016, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Our negotiators are smarter than that. A spirt contract doesn't/won't fit our model. Neither does a SWA, FedEx, or UAL contract. Our negotiators are working on the best contract for JetBlue pilots for JetBlue flying. This also isn't our new mec's first rodeo. He lead the DHL pilots to an industry leading contract.
I am cautiously optimistic, but I believe whole heartedly, this will NOT be a copy paste, half @$$ed, push it through junk contract. We will see improvement across the board. How much improvement, is up in thto air and at this point only the company and our negotiators are privy to that info.
Stay calm and support your mec. Wear your lanyards and keep asking the tough questions.
I am cautiously optimistic, but I believe whole heartedly, this will NOT be a copy paste, half @$$ed, push it through junk contract. We will see improvement across the board. How much improvement, is up in thto air and at this point only the company and our negotiators are privy to that info.
Stay calm and support your mec. Wear your lanyards and keep asking the tough questions.
05-15-2016, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueBlood
Good, I will next time I fly with him. I don't care about spirit neither and I see we agree on the all RSA point, it was what I cared about.
We got to educate everyone of the importance of not giving out leverage during negotiation. Don't pick up RSAs.
I don't understand how you been here 10 to 15 years though, that's a pretty big gap. But to tell you the truth I don't even care.
Just everybody let's do ourself a favor, and stop picking up RSAs.
And I am starting to think the same about requesting VDAs too.
We got to educate everyone of the importance of not giving out leverage during negotiation. Don't pick up RSAs.
I don't understand how you been here 10 to 15 years though, that's a pretty big gap. But to tell you the truth I don't even care.
Just everybody let's do ourself a favor, and stop picking up RSAs.
And I am starting to think the same about requesting VDAs too.
Doesn't VDA help out the company (with lower associated costs to boot) more than picking up RSA's?
Disclosure: I don't do either. My home time is paramount. Just trying to understand which is more helpful and why.
05-15-2016, 09:58 AM
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http://www.bostonherald.com/business...s_useu_flights
Anybody else think that it should be us running this route? Our partners already run to SNN and DUB from BOS. Seems like this would be a perfect start to TATL expansion...
Also, I'm hearing rumors of JBU secretly trying to obtain ETOPS certification. Anybody know anything solid about that? Or just more rumors?
Anybody else think that it should be us running this route? Our partners already run to SNN and DUB from BOS. Seems like this would be a perfect start to TATL expansion...
Also, I'm hearing rumors of JBU secretly trying to obtain ETOPS certification. Anybody know anything solid about that? Or just more rumors?
05-15-2016, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BestForward
http://www.bostonherald.com/business...s_useu_flights
Anybody else think that it should be us running this route? Our partners already run to SNN and DUB from BOS. Seems like this would be a perfect start to TATL expansion...
Also, I'm hearing rumors of JBU secretly trying to obtain ETOPS certification. Anybody know anything solid about that? Or just more rumors?
Anybody else think that it should be us running this route? Our partners already run to SNN and DUB from BOS. Seems like this would be a perfect start to TATL expansion...
Also, I'm hearing rumors of JBU secretly trying to obtain ETOPS certification. Anybody know anything solid about that? Or just more rumors?
DOT gives a tentative OK for ?Norwegian Air?s U.S./EU flights | Boston Herald
We should definitely be doing these NW Europe routes when the A321LR comes online.
I've heard the ETOPS rumors too, but I don't know what's required to receive certification. I thought it was mostly maintenance procedures and not much difference for operations.
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