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Old 09-20-2016, 09:02 AM
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I think the issue with displacement has less to do with the FSM and more to do with the PEA and how it's worded. There isn't any way to displace someone out of a base per the language or lack there of in the old PEAs.

They could probably get away with shrinking a base, but closing it all together is out until we have a CBA with actual displacement language. Nothing is stopping them from opening up a new base... but you'd still have to staff it. Then the problem lies in if say you shrink one by ~50 but only ~20 bid out. Now you're well overstaffed on one end and have to train for the other.

That's the way it was explained to me.
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
JFK E190 isn't going anywhere. There's a lot of flying done there plus MX capability.
You can remove the plane from the base as far as staffing goes, but still have to plane transition through the base.

But I do agree with you, I doubt they remove it.
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I don't think they would have any issues getting enough guys to willingly transfer from JFK to FLL. Especially if it's combined with the typical Airbus upgrades too.

Just look how many guys bid out of that category on the last bid.


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Old 09-20-2016, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
I don't think they would have any issues getting enough guys to willingly transfer from JFK to FLL. Especially if it's combined with the typical Airbus upgrades too.

Just look how many guys bid out of that category on the last bid.


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Exactly. BOS/JFK 190 have the most movement for CA and FO. There won't be any problems finding 30-50 crews to transfer out one way or another.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:09 AM
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What's with the string of 5 or so E190 JFK CA awarded (all roughly same seniority) who are all listed as Management?

Are they training center guys who just bid it so they can get the pay bump but don't really fly?
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
What's with the string of 5 or so E190 JFK CA awarded (all roughly same seniority) who are all listed as Management?

Are they training center guys who just bid it so they can get the pay bump but don't really fly?
Basically. They're Captains "on paper". They'll still get paid their 90 hour guarantee at A320 FO rates. Only difference is they can sell their PTO back at CA premium pay and on their fly days (once they've gotten their UOE and fed ride completed) they can fly as CA. Also, on off days, they can RSA/VDA as a CA.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisx2 View Post
Basically. They're Captains "on paper". They'll still get paid their 90 hour guarantee at A320 FO rates. Only difference is they can sell their PTO back at CA premium pay and on their fly days (once they've gotten their UOE and fed ride completed) they can fly as CA. Also, on off days, they can RSA/VDA as a CA.
But doesn't this create a problem with staffing on the JFK 190 CA side??
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Old 09-20-2016, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U View Post
But doesn't this create a problem with staffing on the JFK 190 CA side??
They are considered inactive pilots, and don't affect the net number of active pilots.
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Old 09-20-2016, 11:19 AM
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They are considered inactive pilots, and don't affect the net number of active pilots.
Makes sense, thanks!!
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Old 09-20-2016, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisx2 View Post
Basically. They're Captains "on paper". They'll still get paid their 90 hour guarantee at A320 FO rates. Only difference is they can sell their PTO back at CA premium pay and on their fly days (once they've gotten their UOE and fed ride completed) they can fly as CA. Also, on off days, they can RSA/VDA as a CA.
The CBA better close those shenanigans.. That's BS, takes flying and $$$ away from line pilots. Not to mention is just a waste of potential profit sharing cash.
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