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Old 04-12-2018 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H
Q, you are one kooky MF’er….and I for one am DIGGING it!

Agree with Bozo / felt4….I’ll weigh the contract as a whole and vote accordingly.

Then (as I’ve been mentored by my CAs), even if I vote yes, I will lie and tell everyone I voted no.
Hilarious Gordie. It is so true. Hide behind the way we vote....hide behind the keyboard. It makes us sound like such a tough group.
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Old 04-12-2018 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
CORRECT. I will vote NO unless the contract includes everything I demand.

I'd rather fight than take it up the a$$. I'm a warrior, not a sheep. I once fought for my country, fighting for professional respect is trivial by comparison.

If you choose to settle for less... well, that's why BJ is BJ. I blame people like you.

I've also communicated my desire to hold ALPA accountable for failures. They are not the only option to accomplish my mission objectives. I do not have to "settle" for their sub-par monopoly and incremental performance. If ALPA were a charity, I would feel differently about it but BJ pilots pay quite a fee to keep them around. As I have said, perform or get fired. While B6-ALPA is not currently a target of mine, ALPA national definitely is.







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Dude, you’re a troll for sure.

You’re truly an impressive person. I’m sure you roll it on every flight. You have to step on the brakes to finally get the airplane to settle on the ground and have the ground spoilers slowly raise as the sunsets in your utopian world. People clap as you slowly and gently guide your airplane off the runway with confidence and ease.

Couples things:

“Demand”?

“Warrior”?

You Liam Neeson?

Delta, United, FedEx, UPS, American, Spirit and Frontier are hiring like crazy. Since you demand such respect and are such a fighter and warrior in the aviation world (and life). You could seek those options? But my assumptions is that you like many others have some pathetic excuse about why they cannot move. Cannot take a pay cut? Cannot move kids? Whatever it is...

It must be amazing to be you and be able to demand and get whatever you want. People must bow at your feet every day.

End of the day bro, youre just a lazy pilot... doing 100% of nothing but expecting the world to revolve around you.

All that being said. I don’t clean, because well, I’m a sky god.
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Old 04-12-2018 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
Just don't forget that those captains are also part of the problem. The foolish pilot group took 18 years to get to the predictable place the company is at now. The only thing they have demonstrated is their ability to be wrong. Most of these guys have never fought for anything more than their pathetic paychecks, and they lost. They are not brave people - simply corporate yes-men who know nothing more than "play along to get along". I wouldn't look to them for wisdom. Their "wisdom" has only achieved table scraps at BJ and other airlines. If you're an FO, I promise you they will vote for a contract that will benefit them at your expense. That is the pattern everywhere.

If you vote Yes for a sub-par contract, then you will get what you deserve.

Unfortunately, people learn by making mistakes. That's why literature is replete with examples of generations and generations making the same stupid mistakes over and over again.


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Out of curiosity, since I’m 13 and was thinking I would entertain the idea of military service.

Do you feel as you’re a better person than everyone else because you joined the military?

You assume that anyone who has not been in the military has not fought for anything? You think because no one has joined the military, walked around in camo, sitting in the desert, are not brave people?

You’re living a short and sad life bro if you think that. Everyday, you have to wake up and wipe you own butt, just like everyone else in the world. Well, actually, you probably have someone do that for you, with blue gloves on obviously.
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Old 04-12-2018 | 06:16 AM
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If both think alike one of the is irrelevant..
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Old 04-12-2018 | 06:18 AM
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Contracts ate Symbiotic. Whatever you have been negotiating Q has not been contracts in the real sense of the term.
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Old 04-12-2018 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4
Dude, you’re a troll for sure.

You’re truly an impressive person. I’m sure you roll it on every flight. You have to step on the brakes to finally get the airplane to settle on the ground and have the ground spoilers slowly raise as the sunsets in your utopian world. People clap as you slowly and gently guide your airplane off the runway with confidence and ease.
How did you know!!!???



Originally Posted by feltf4
Couples things:

“Demand”?

“Warrior”?

You Liam Neeson?

Chuck Norris.



Originally Posted by feltf4
End of the day bro, youre just a lazy pilot... doing 100% of nothing but expecting the world to revolve around you.


And that is the attitude that has gotten you the results.... errr.... no results. Pilots are not lazy. I doubt you would call your family doctor lazy. Don't call pilots lazy. Just because you don't value your profession or find a high degree of depth in it doesn't mean it isn't at the pinnacle of science and technology. It just means you are too mediocre to know any better. Have more respect for yourself. At least you don't clean without having it in an agreeable contract.



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Old 04-12-2018 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4
Do you feel as you’re a better person than everyone else because you joined the military?

You assume that anyone who has not been in the military has not fought for anything? You think because no one has joined the military, walked around in camo, sitting in the desert, are not brave people?

You’re living a short and sad life bro if you think that. Everyday, you have to wake up and wipe you own butt, just like everyone else in the world. Well, actually, you probably have someone do that for you, with blue gloves on obviously.
Did I say that? Or did YOU say that.

I merely made an example of prototypical profession that requires exhaustive effort, dedication, and commitment to something greater than oneself, which includes the threat of death. Fighting for a contract is not the same as fighting for your country. There simply isn't a comparison. An equivalency would require you to break the law, unless you happen to have a license to kill. Sorry but braving the NY cold is not bravery. Wearing lanyards or luggage grips is not bravery. Bravery is not a function of being "better", it's a function of doing something greater than oneself when many others will not. You wouldn't be online right now had lots of American soldiers not died in WWII. I remind you that Japan and Nazi Germany were formidable enemies. But I will say this, you should have respect for people who have done things in life that you may not have. Think of a fire fighter who has run into a burning building to save a life, of a missionary in a foreign country captured and tortured to death.

But to address your use of the word bravery... there can be many forms. Erin Brockavitch is brave, Martin Luther King was brave, Ben Shapiro is brave, Christians in the middle east being slaughtered are brave, Diamond and Silk are brave, Edward Snowden is really brave, the people run over by tanks in Tiennemen Square are really brave, and so on....

Bravery just doesn't largely exist with the sheepish, beaten down, defeatist pilot group of BJ. 90% of BJ pilots ARE the problem because their attitude is so **** poor. They bend over and jump higher. Why is it that BJ didn't have a pilot ALPA group from Day 1? Did they FOOLISHLY believe that history wouldn't repeat itself despite there never being an exception to the rule?

Code Pink has more bravery than the average BJ pilot who have been wrong for 15+ years.




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Old 04-12-2018 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by django
Contracts ate Symbiotic. Whatever you have been negotiating Q has not been contracts in the real sense of the term.
Why not? Both parties mutually agreed to it, I just stood up for my organization's interests and achieved its demands. Contracts can be win-win you know. A contract must be mutually agreed upon to be legally valid. It cannot be coerced. Which is why everyone needs to vote down a contract that is not industry leading.

The problem with the airline industry is that unacceptable "compromise" is deeply ingrained in the defeatist culture of the employees. If you (the pilot group) believed in their unity, their self-worth, their professional value, then you would quickly realize there is no reason why you could not get an industry leading contract with every provision demanded built in, to include non-cleaning. Ever wonder why CEOs and VPs make more despite them being pretty mediocre? They spend their entire life and career fighting for pay and benefits.

Pardon the CNN link but Youtube has censored everything else.

https://anonym.to/?https://www.youtu...?v=858t44psmww

Japan Airline's CEO Slashes his Pay Below the Pay of Pilots, other CEO Should Learn from Him !


https://anonym.to/?https://www.youtu...?v=PjeTTQKRfWU

Japan CEO Takes The Bus

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Old 04-12-2018 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
I think it's hard for those not chugging the WN Kool-Aid to understand this. We had a few leave NK using the same 'culture' logic. It's like a cult or a religion over there with their admiration for Gary and Herb. I'm pretty sure most would welcome the opportunity to service these guys if given the chance. I don't understand it but you can't convince these guys that their religion is the 'wrong one'. The minute a WN fan boy starts spewing culture just smile and wish them good luck.
Yeah, we're talking about our JB CULTure...

At least SW culture comes with a big paycheck and no expectations of pilot-janitor duties.

Our CULTure comes with a McDonald's paycheck and all the blue-pilot-janitor gloves you need!
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Old 04-12-2018 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
Did I say that? Or did YOU say that.

I merely made an example of prototypical profession that requires exhaustive effort, dedication, and commitment to something greater than oneself, which includes the threat of death. Fighting for a contract is not the same as fighting for your country. There simply isn't a comparison. An equivalency would require you to break the law, unless you happen to have a license to kill. Sorry but braving the NY cold is not bravery. Wearing lanyards or luggage grips is not bravery. Bravery is not a function of being "better", it's a function of doing something greater than oneself when many others will not. You wouldn't be online right now had lots of American soldiers not died in WWII. I remind you that Japan and Nazi Germany were formidable enemies. But I will say this, you should have respect for people who have done things in life that you may not have. Think of a fire fighter who has run into a burning building to save a life, of a missionary in a foreign country captured and tortured to death.

But to address your use of the word bravery... there can be many forms. Erin Brockavitch is brave, Martin Luther King was brave, Ben Shapiro is brave, Christians in the middle east being slaughtered are brave, Diamond and Silk are brave, Edward Snowden is really brave, the people run over by tanks in Tiennemen Square are really brave, and so on....

Bravery just doesn't largely exist with the sheepish, beaten down, defeatist pilot group of BJ. 90% of BJ pilots ARE the problem because their attitude is so **** poor. They bend over and jump higher. Why is it that BJ didn't have a pilot ALPA group from Day 1? Did they FOOLISHLY believe that history wouldn't repeat itself despite there never being an exception to the rule?

Code Pink has more bravery than the average BJ pilot who have been wrong for 15+ years.




This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
I asked a question on how you value your own self worth. In which you didn’t say anything about it. A classic nothing fight really.

But I get it, you don’t value ALPA, your fellow pilots, or really it appears anyone in the matter.

What we have gathered is, that you enjoy passing judgment on other people. Believe that 90% of your peers are more or less scum and are responsible for all the problems here, And that ALPA is doing nothing.

Further more, you’ve now informed everyone here, that your fellow peers at jetBlue are not brave, having no further information on their background, what they have done in life or what adversities he or she has overcome in life.

Continuing on, the guys, you know the ones who bravely fought in WW2? Protecting our freedom? My godfather for example. Yeah those guys, I’d put my life on it that they wouldn’t vote NO, because their union (again having no control over that manual) didn’t have, “pilots shall never pick up trash” clause in it. I will put my life on it again, that those brave hero’s that you speak of, you know those ones, as you said “doing something greater than oneself when many others will not”.... yes those guys, I bet they would be the first ones to pick up that trash.

Get over yourself bro. Show some respect for the dudes that are working on your contract. You seem to be one of those guys who could have a billion dollars, the perfect family, a cute dog and a nice house, be healthy until your 105. But just miserable every day.

Btw. I do not clean planes. Just want to let you know that, it’s because I’m not brave enough to sick my hands in the pockets. Might be a dirty diaper in there.
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