Bozo the pilot

Hey Q,
I would vote no over work rules/pay/retirement/scope/health care but I have to vote upon a preponderance of the contract.
In other words, you would be a no vote if most of the above listed were within reason, but the words "a pilot shall not clean" were not included?
Thats absolutely ridiculous.
Please tell me that you were exaggerating.

pilotpayne

Um I’m agreeing with you

feltf4

+1, boy’s a little mushed in the brains. But that’s ok my assumption is he probably got screwed in the Airways/AA merger. Or maybe he’s been furloughed 5 times. So I forgive his ignorance. Guessing the VDA, RTF and RSA boys will be happy with the “pilots shall not clean” clause missing from the contract. We’ve got two no votes already and to think, we could be the first $300 an hour airbus FOs and probably $450 and hour Cappys. Sucks that we will take consessions in pay, work rules and benefits so the perfect contact can be presented to the pilot group, that includes “pilots shall never ever lift a finger to pick up any piece of trash”.

You think DL contract is “perfect”?

You do know that 100% of their flying can be flown by anyone but delta mainline.

Delta announced 9(?) routes out of Seattle. 2 of which are flown by mainline Delta. Mmmmmmm that sounds prefect to me. Yup that’s perfect contract. I sure hope we get something like that. Maybe a joint venture (if your not sure what joint ventures are, do yourself a favor and research) with international wide bodies? Maybe a little Buffalo and Rochester flying done by a new E2 operated by Skywest? That sounds great, as long as no one in this pilot group ever has to touch a piece of trash ever again.

I say, SAY NO TO TRASH!

queue

I am not exaggerating.

What WE know: the status quo of dealing with contracts doesn't work.

What I know: I personally deal contracts all the time and I make no compromises. Victory or death. The problem is that most pilots are just victims of people who make contracts and thus become defeatists by virtue of inexperience. Pilots are so trapped in their preconceived notions and experiences shaped by contractual tablescraps that their sense or normalcy is patently false and based on a "race to the bottom" syndrome. Mine is not. I am not of this industry and I will work to completely reshape it so that we are respected as true professionals. I will not tolerate the Stockholm Syndrome that most pilots seem to suffer from. These are not difficult contracts. They are not rocket science. Fortune 500 companies make significantly more complex contracts every day. ALL transportation sector contracts are essentially drag-and-drop with only minor variations. There are no new concepts to explore. These aren't contracts to colonize the moon.




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Bozo the pilot

So you're a no vote if "pilots shall not clean" is not explicitly stated in a T/A?
Got it. Im glad you'll be in the vast minority. I dont clean now btw.

queue

CORRECT. I will vote NO unless the contract includes everything I demand.

I'd rather fight than take it up the a$$. I'm a warrior, not a sheep. I once fought for my country, fighting for professional respect is trivial by comparison.

If you choose to settle for less... well, that's why BJ is BJ. I blame people like you.

I've also communicated my desire to hold ALPA accountable for failures. They are not the only option to accomplish my mission objectives. I do not have to "settle" for their sub-par monopoly and incremental performance. If ALPA were a charity, I would feel differently about it but BJ pilots pay quite a fee to keep them around. As I have said, perform or get fired. While B6-ALPA is not currently a target of mine, ALPA national definitely is.







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Gordie H

Q, you are one kooky MF’er….and I for one am DIGGING it!

Agree with Bozo / felt4….I’ll weigh the contract as a whole and vote accordingly.

Then (as I’ve been mentored by my CAs), even if I vote yes, I will lie and tell everyone I voted no.

queue

Just don't forget that those captains are also part of the problem. The foolish pilot group took 18 years to get to the predictable place the company is at now. The only thing they have demonstrated is their ability to be wrong. Most of these guys have never fought for anything more than their pathetic paychecks, and they lost. They are not brave people - simply corporate yes-men who know nothing more than "play along to get along". I wouldn't look to them for wisdom. Their "wisdom" has only achieved table scraps at BJ and other airlines. If you're an FO, I promise you they will vote for a contract that will benefit them at your expense. That is the pattern everywhere.

If you vote Yes for a sub-par contract, then you will get what you deserve.

Unfortunately, people learn by making mistakes. That's why literature is replete with examples of generations and generations making the same stupid mistakes over and over again.


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Rickce7

Haha! this dude can internet with the best of them. . .

Macjet

I think it's hard for those not chugging the WN Kool-Aid to understand this. We had a few leave NK using the same 'culture' logic. It's like a cult or a religion over there with their admiration for Gary and Herb. I'm pretty sure most would welcome the opportunity to service these guys if given the chance. I don't understand it but you can't convince these guys that their religion is the 'wrong one'. The minute a WN fan boy starts spewing culture just smile and wish them good luck.