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#1561
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 988
Yep. This pilot group needs a collective education. The price to fly a 320/737 equivalent is what it is.
You don't see JB going to the gas station and saying, "You know.....we need to maintain our cost advantage so we can only pay $.30/gallon for jet fuel."
GFY.
I wish JB pilots would stop acting like battered wives and realize what we're worth. The price of poker has gone up significantly over the last 6-9 months....don't accept anything less than our full value.
You don't see JB going to the gas station and saying, "You know.....we need to maintain our cost advantage so we can only pay $.30/gallon for jet fuel."
GFY.
I wish JB pilots would stop acting like battered wives and realize what we're worth. The price of poker has gone up significantly over the last 6-9 months....don't accept anything less than our full value.
#1562
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: fifi whisperer
Posts: 1,255
Yep. This pilot group needs a collective education. The price to fly a 320/737 equivalent is what it is.
You don't see JB going to the gas station and saying, "You know.....we need to maintain our cost advantage so we can only pay $.30/gallon for jet fuel."
GFY.
I wish JB pilots would stop acting like battered wives and realize what we're worth. The price of poker has gone up significantly over the last 6-9 months....don't accept anything less than our full value.
You don't see JB going to the gas station and saying, "You know.....we need to maintain our cost advantage so we can only pay $.30/gallon for jet fuel."
GFY.
I wish JB pilots would stop acting like battered wives and realize what we're worth. The price of poker has gone up significantly over the last 6-9 months....don't accept anything less than our full value.
Building on the same point. The price to pay a 737/A320 is very different (or should be) than the price to fly an A321. The 321 holds more people than a 757 and we should get similar rates. For the sake of the Jr. guys, I think we should have a blended rate, so for each A321 added to the fleet, our net pay increases. That way, Jr. Guys like myself, can still get the mint flights.
#1563
+1 , I certainly hope the majority are thinking this way.
#1564
Right left right
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Rebel
Posts: 65
You are only looking at 12 year captain. We are not all 12 year captains. I looked again at the math. It should be 17% less for 12 year captains not 30%. And around 25%-40% for FO depending on their longevity. I was doubling the difference when accounting for our sh!t benefits when it actually scales.
Also, I'm not a quitter. I'm not going to DAL. Pointing out that they make more money doesn't mean I want to start over at year 1 there. If they called when B6 did, you bet I'd be there. But I'm here now. I'm not going to throw my hands up and say "At least I have a job!", while B6 gets a discount on my labor.
Also, I'm not a quitter. I'm not going to DAL. Pointing out that they make more money doesn't mean I want to start over at year 1 there. If they called when B6 did, you bet I'd be there. But I'm here now. I'm not going to throw my hands up and say "At least I have a job!", while B6 gets a discount on my labor.
Let's just all row the same way.
#1565
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
He said this place has become a joke and you projected onto him that he was unhappy here and should leave.
The company's hired labor consultants specifically look to gauge the attitude of the pilot group wrt how far they can push the takeaways and what they can get away with. They are not finished implementing their wishlist of changes upon us and the attitude you display on a public message board towards your fellow pilots that 'you better be happy to be here, or leave' emboldens the company to push their changes through, and it erodes our unity in achieving our objective. An objective that you say you support.
Do you actually think a guy in the top 20% of the 5th largest major in the industry, that has to this point enjoyed a job mostly on par with the Big 4, should have to throw in the towel and go start over at the bottom in order to finally achieve the job conditions he should expect out of his career? I do not, and I trust you do not either. My feeling is that we should band together, stick in for the fight and make this place on par with the Big 4.
I don't know what your aversion is to hearing guys complain about where we are finding ourselves relative to our peers these days. I would just ask that you learn to become more tolerant of other pilot's dissenting attitudes because at the heart of it is usually a desire to improve our collective situation. Things are going to get worse before they get better and our unity is going to be put to the test before we achieve what we are looking for.
Sorry for the longwindedness...
The company's hired labor consultants specifically look to gauge the attitude of the pilot group wrt how far they can push the takeaways and what they can get away with. They are not finished implementing their wishlist of changes upon us and the attitude you display on a public message board towards your fellow pilots that 'you better be happy to be here, or leave' emboldens the company to push their changes through, and it erodes our unity in achieving our objective. An objective that you say you support.
Do you actually think a guy in the top 20% of the 5th largest major in the industry, that has to this point enjoyed a job mostly on par with the Big 4, should have to throw in the towel and go start over at the bottom in order to finally achieve the job conditions he should expect out of his career? I do not, and I trust you do not either. My feeling is that we should band together, stick in for the fight and make this place on par with the Big 4.
I don't know what your aversion is to hearing guys complain about where we are finding ourselves relative to our peers these days. I would just ask that you learn to become more tolerant of other pilot's dissenting attitudes because at the heart of it is usually a desire to improve our collective situation. Things are going to get worse before they get better and our unity is going to be put to the test before we achieve what we are looking for.
Sorry for the longwindedness...
#1567
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Last I checked delta's AB320 top rate was 209. Ours is 202. They get 15% retirement from the company, we get 13. Last year our profit sharing was I think almost 16% of our wages, what was theirs I don't remember? 20% tops I bet. Please explain to me how that adds up to be 30-40%? It's definitely more, but not 30-40%.
#1569
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: fifi whisperer
Posts: 1,255
#1570
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
This 8% is no accident. Attrition is accelerating and the volume of apps in each window is declining at an alarming rate. They're worried about being able to put asses in seats. The only way to retain at this point is to pay the piper. I think negotiations will continue at a steady pace. JB can't afford not to with our order book. It's going to become a game of chicken as to which is cheaper/more beneficial to the stock holder, differ airplanes, pay pilots or sell it.
The new rate for our plane is 12yr ca 275/hr give or take a few with work rules.
The new rate for our plane is 12yr ca 275/hr give or take a few with work rules.
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