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10-24-2016 | 11:04 AM
#1581
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
I was looking at current rates. When their TA passes it will be a much larger gap. I am hopeful our TA, when we get it, will close that gap.
The problem I have, and I am sure the majority of our pilot group is in the same boat, is not knowing how this new TA of ours is going look. Just about everyone of us could jump ship right now to Delta, Untited, FedEx. Most of us don't want to leave and start over. The problem is if we are going to we have to do it now, before those other companies hire another 20-30% we will always be junior to. I don't want to be in a situation a year from now with a ****ty TA and I gave up a year of seniority somewhere else. I want to stay here, but not with the current contract, it has to be really close if not better than Delta, due to the fact I will never fly wide bodies and less non rev options. The question is, is it worth it to keep giving up seniority somewhere else to wait and see? Would it be that hard for the union to start giving us something to look at? I get they don't want to show all their cards, but what about our cards? How long do we wait, it's not just that we are making less, it's we are passing up career long seniority. I can live with making less, I just want to know so I can make that decision before its to late.
The problem I have, and I am sure the majority of our pilot group is in the same boat, is not knowing how this new TA of ours is going look. Just about everyone of us could jump ship right now to Delta, Untited, FedEx. Most of us don't want to leave and start over. The problem is if we are going to we have to do it now, before those other companies hire another 20-30% we will always be junior to. I don't want to be in a situation a year from now with a ****ty TA and I gave up a year of seniority somewhere else. I want to stay here, but not with the current contract, it has to be really close if not better than Delta, due to the fact I will never fly wide bodies and less non rev options. The question is, is it worth it to keep giving up seniority somewhere else to wait and see? Would it be that hard for the union to start giving us something to look at? I get they don't want to show all their cards, but what about our cards? How long do we wait, it's not just that we are making less, it's we are passing up career long seniority. I can live with making less, I just want to know so I can make that decision before its to late.
However, I do not agree with you or accept less pay than my peers. Our airline is approaching debt free and has a near industry leading profit margin. They need to pay us appropriately, with all of the benefits and work rules my peers have. Period.
10-24-2016 | 11:23 AM
#1582
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 3,195
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From: Gear slinger
The more of you who "stay to see how the contract turns" out will allow management to believe they're paying you an adequate amount to keep you on property, and legitimize a lower offer (in their minds).
The company has already demonstrated a fear of staffing issues through their new pilot gateway program... A collective no vote is one thing, a no vote while you're hemorraging pilots will entice the company to pay you more to stop the bleeding.
The more folk who vote with their feet now, the higher the initial TA offer will be.
10-24-2016 | 01:49 PM
#1584
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 847
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From: B6
10-24-2016 | 05:43 PM
#1585
PermaFO
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 130
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From: May I swing the gear Von Admiral?
Unfortunately, from the company prospective, your peers are (also) Virgin America, Frontier and Spirit.
The more of you who "stay to see how the contract turns" out will allow management to believe they're paying you an adequate amount to keep you on property, and legitimize a lower offer (in their minds).
The company has already demonstrated a fear of staffing issues through their new pilot gateway program... A collective no vote is one thing, a no vote while you're hemorraging pilots will entice the company to pay you more to stop the bleeding.
The more folk who vote with their feet now, the higher the initial TA offer will be.
The more of you who "stay to see how the contract turns" out will allow management to believe they're paying you an adequate amount to keep you on property, and legitimize a lower offer (in their minds).
The company has already demonstrated a fear of staffing issues through their new pilot gateway program... A collective no vote is one thing, a no vote while you're hemorraging pilots will entice the company to pay you more to stop the bleeding.
The more folk who vote with their feet now, the higher the initial TA offer will be.
10-24-2016 | 06:52 PM
#1586
Banned
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,655
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From: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
10-24-2016 | 07:16 PM
#1587
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,247
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
10-25-2016 | 04:24 AM
#1590
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 200
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From: Ablue320
It was all hear say, someone heard from somebody type thing. I'm sure it would work in places like SJU DCA and soon to be ATL. Basically high commuter cities with flights to all our focus cities. Positive space D.H. to start your trip. Doubt you'd get paid for it, but you'd get rid of the commuter clause, stress and fewer no shows.
Edit: i'm sure have trips start out of your virtual base as well
Shall we sign off on this now? I'm good... you good?
Edit: i'm sure have trips start out of your virtual base as well
Shall we sign off on this now? I'm good... you good?
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