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10-24-2016, 11:04 AM
#1581
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by WhiteHammer
I was looking at current rates. When their TA passes it will be a much larger gap. I am hopeful our TA, when we get it, will close that gap.
The problem I have, and I am sure the majority of our pilot group is in the same boat, is not knowing how this new TA of ours is going look. Just about everyone of us could jump ship right now to Delta, Untited, FedEx. Most of us don't want to leave and start over. The problem is if we are going to we have to do it now, before those other companies hire another 20-30% we will always be junior to. I don't want to be in a situation a year from now with a ****ty TA and I gave up a year of seniority somewhere else. I want to stay here, but not with the current contract, it has to be really close if not better than Delta, due to the fact I will never fly wide bodies and less non rev options. The question is, is it worth it to keep giving up seniority somewhere else to wait and see? Would it be that hard for the union to start giving us something to look at? I get they don't want to show all their cards, but what about our cards? How long do we wait, it's not just that we are making less, it's we are passing up career long seniority. I can live with making less, I just want to know so I can make that decision before its to late.
The problem I have, and I am sure the majority of our pilot group is in the same boat, is not knowing how this new TA of ours is going look. Just about everyone of us could jump ship right now to Delta, Untited, FedEx. Most of us don't want to leave and start over. The problem is if we are going to we have to do it now, before those other companies hire another 20-30% we will always be junior to. I don't want to be in a situation a year from now with a ****ty TA and I gave up a year of seniority somewhere else. I want to stay here, but not with the current contract, it has to be really close if not better than Delta, due to the fact I will never fly wide bodies and less non rev options. The question is, is it worth it to keep giving up seniority somewhere else to wait and see? Would it be that hard for the union to start giving us something to look at? I get they don't want to show all their cards, but what about our cards? How long do we wait, it's not just that we are making less, it's we are passing up career long seniority. I can live with making less, I just want to know so I can make that decision before its to late.
However, I do not agree with you or accept less pay than my peers. Our airline is approaching debt free and has a near industry leading profit margin. They need to pay us appropriately, with all of the benefits and work rules my peers have. Period.
10-24-2016, 11:23 AM
#1582
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 2,901
Originally Posted by CanoeBum
. Makes no difference to me, I know the current rates of our peers and will vote accordingly.
The more of you who "stay to see how the contract turns" out will allow management to believe they're paying you an adequate amount to keep you on property, and legitimize a lower offer (in their minds).
The company has already demonstrated a fear of staffing issues through their new pilot gateway program... A collective no vote is one thing, a no vote while you're hemorraging pilots will entice the company to pay you more to stop the bleeding.
The more folk who vote with their feet now, the higher the initial TA offer will be.
10-24-2016, 01:49 PM
#1584
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: B6
Posts: 777
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
I didn't see that, I just saw $247 year 12 CA and $143 for 3 year FO.
http://www.taprocon.com/#/paly
10-24-2016, 05:43 PM
#1585
PermaFO
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: May I swing the gear Von Admiral?
Posts: 130
Originally Posted by Otterbox
Unfortunately, from the company prospective, your peers are (also) Virgin America, Frontier and Spirit.
The more of you who "stay to see how the contract turns" out will allow management to believe they're paying you an adequate amount to keep you on property, and legitimize a lower offer (in their minds).
The company has already demonstrated a fear of staffing issues through their new pilot gateway program... A collective no vote is one thing, a no vote while you're hemorraging pilots will entice the company to pay you more to stop the bleeding.
The more folk who vote with their feet now, the higher the initial TA offer will be.
The more of you who "stay to see how the contract turns" out will allow management to believe they're paying you an adequate amount to keep you on property, and legitimize a lower offer (in their minds).
The company has already demonstrated a fear of staffing issues through their new pilot gateway program... A collective no vote is one thing, a no vote while you're hemorraging pilots will entice the company to pay you more to stop the bleeding.
The more folk who vote with their feet now, the higher the initial TA offer will be.
10-24-2016, 06:52 PM
#1586
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
10-24-2016, 07:16 PM
#1587
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by full of luv
Hey at least the JB line on the 320 graphs make a nice straight yellow border along the bottom..... they really should just say unknown..
Is there a reason to be such a d.ck?
10-25-2016, 04:24 AM
#1590
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: Ablue320
Posts: 200
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
No, but do tell. Where would the supposed virtual bases be?
Edit: i'm sure have trips start out of your virtual base as well
Shall we sign off on this now? I'm good... you good?
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