seekingblue

We are clearly a very divided pilot group (48/52%, I think) and I hope management doesn’t exploit that.

Clearly, the vocal half is on APC, but many of us and most of the people I fly with do see the value in the NEA. The bigger question is not if the NEA will stand or not. I do not see any arbitrator canceling it, under any circumstances, IMHO—they will find a remedy for us, the pilots, but would prefer if ALPA and the company worked it out on our own. The question becomes what can we negotiate to allow it to continue. I’d much rather come up with an agreeable solution with the company, than take our chances with an arbitrator. Those with arbitration experience will probably agree with this.

The question becomes, if the NEA is happening, regardless of our thoughts, hopes, and wishes— where is your line in the sand? Is it pay increases? Mandatory yearly block hour increases? Virtual bases? More QDL pay (kidding with that one- sort of).

just to sum up quickly. Just voting no, to say no doesn’t get us anywhere. It means we have no control and the arbitrator will do whatever she/he desires. I’d much rather vote on something concrete that helps us, as pilots than just saying “you decide” to someone without aviation experience who is just trying not to “rock the boat”

thoughts?
Input?
Am I looking at this the wrong way?

SaintNick

we already have an agreement with the company its called loa 12 and the cba. Im
not going to agree on allowing codeshares on our focus coty routes and to
give away all of our international destinations. If the arbitrator wants to disregard our cba and set a precedent that any airlines management can disregard scope or a cba at anytime I’d much rather let that happen then willingly give away our scope.
do I think that the nea is harmful for jetBlue the company? No.. but I’m not willingly giving away hard fought scope

panpanpan

The issue is that the feedback the union received was before the recovery was here. I’m sure if that data was recollected now, it would be much different. Now that they are hiring and people are traveling the situation has changed a lot. They are going off outdated, irrelevant data.

SaintNick

this is so true.

Desdi

THIS exactly!

panpanpan

Hopefully the negotiating team had the common sense to adjust their proposal to the current situation rather than blindly following the outdated data.

Either way, it’s too late for us to do anything, the proposal is already made.

SaintNick

we can still vote it down if it isn’t what we want.

seekingblue

excellent point.

seekingblue

my point, exactly.

seekingblue

your comments are well taken. However, the arbitrator will almost certainly rule in favor of the company. The only question is what we will get out of it and what protections, will be left intact.

As panpanpan said, ultimately it’s out of our hands…..