If they were worried, they would have kept the 15% PS and given a raise. Not take away profit sharing and give a questionable raise at best.

 

The profit sharing is still negotiable in our CBA. The other work groups, not so much. It is slated for 2017 for a reason.

 

They gut the profit sharing of the whole company. Maybe they did the math and figured taking money away from the other employees will allow them to offset paying us what we're worth on the CBA? I think they're buying time, the 8% pay raise to the other workers is a kick in the bucket to LSC. Makes no difference to me, I know the current rates of our peers and will vote accordingly.

 

Who pays $275 for a 320, 321, or even a 757? Are you including PS in that rate? $247 seems to be the going rate between UAL/DAL, plus PS. I'm with you and would love that rate, just trying to follow where it's coming from, and what realistic expectations are for the CBA.

 

I'm look g towards the next of the latest TAs

 

It might be they are looking at the duration of the pay rates instead of 2016.

For instance 2018 is what rate? Jan 1, 2018 is closer than we may want to believe and IMO we will still be waiting for our TA.

I know ... attrition, expansion, growth, locus, cats and dogs etc.

 

Yes we had a long history of big PS payouts.....15% and up year after year until they gutted it! You could have embellished a little better.

 

I was looking at current rates. When their TA passes it will be a much larger gap. I am hopeful our TA, when we get it, will close that gap.

The problem I have, and I am sure the majority of our pilot group is in the same boat, is not knowing how this new TA of ours is going look. Just about everyone of us could jump ship right now to Delta, Untited, FedEx. Most of us don't want to leave and start over. The problem is if we are going to we have to do it now, before those other companies hire another 20-30% we will always be junior to. I don't want to be in a situation a year from now with a ****ty TA and I gave up a year of seniority somewhere else. I want to stay here, but not with the current contract, it has to be really close if not better than Delta, due to the fact I will never fly wide bodies and less non rev options. The question is, is it worth it to keep giving up seniority somewhere else to wait and see? Would it be that hard for the union to start giving us something to look at? I get they don't want to show all their cards, but what about our cards? How long do we wait, it's not just that we are making less, it's we are passing up career long seniority. I can live with making less, I just want to know so I can make that decision before its to late.

 

This. It's a really tough decision on when to pull the trigger if management continues to drag their feet on a TA with the work rules and compensation we deserve.

Hopefully they realize anyone with ~10 or fewer years here and 10+ years left in the industry is a potential flight risk from this place based on economics alone.

 

DAL 2017 321 12 Year is $266.53 .... $247 seems a bit low.