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Old 10-18-2016 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
I am glad you got on at United.
I love the bashing of the JetBlue group
"You guys want to fly to Europe making 40% less") Which one of us on here said that and if you have that type of opinion why did you even take a job here. Wow
Congrats on getting hired at United. Now that your seniority number is 14,000 I wish you well when Big Ted Announces a 10% nay just for fun 5% furlough. (CAUSE THEYVE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE!!!). That's a lot of numbers from the bottom to be safe. Again, congrats and good luck.

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Old 10-18-2016 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
White,

They just took 5% profit sharing away with a gift of 8% pay raise. Total Compensation? This is what they do. You don't get it. How about when Deltas MEC brought them a TA that was riddled with underhanded inside deals? The pilot group (which is why we became a union to collectively agree) saw this smoke screen and voted NO. Same with SWA. So keep your Kumbyeyah high and keep doing what BIg Blue wants.
-Bubs
If we were given a TA tomorrow with an 8% raise I'd vote for the 'Hell NO' option. This LOA isn't a TA. This is a stand alone, one time, not related to anything else, increase in base pay to cover the loss of profit sharing that will happen regardless of how the vote goes.
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Old 10-18-2016 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
White,

They just took 5% profit sharing away with a gift of 8% pay raise. Total Compensation? This is what they do. You don't get it. How about when Deltas MEC brought them a TA that was riddled with underhanded inside deals? The pilot group (which is why we became a union to collectively agree) saw this smoke screen and voted NO. Same with SWA. So keep your Kumbyeyah high and keep doing what BIg Blue wants.
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There's a huge difference. DAL had a choice in if they lost PS or not. WE DO NOT. They will take 5% PS away 8% raise or not.

Voting no on this does nothing but shoot ourselves in the foot. Take the money now... then take more later. To vote no is like saying hey thanks for taking my 5% and I don't want your other money cause I'm so mad at you!

I agree it's a wash, maybe a slight raise. It's definitely not an 8% raise, but to not take the raise is absurd. There is a big difference between an LOA and a TA. This is an LOA with a pay bump.
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Old 10-18-2016 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
If we were given a TA tomorrow with an 8% raise I'd vote for the 'Hell NO' option. This LOA isn't a TA. This is a stand alone, one time, not related to anything else, increase in base pay to cover the loss of profit sharing that will happen regardless of how the vote goes.

^^^THIS^^^
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Old 10-18-2016 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
White,

They just took 5% profit sharing away with a gift of 8% pay raise. Total Compensation? This is what they do. You don't get it. How about when Deltas MEC brought them a TA that was riddled with underhanded inside deals? The pilot group (which is why we became a union to collectively agree) saw this smoke screen and voted NO. Same with SWA. So keep your Kumbyeyah high and keep doing what BIg Blue wants.
-Bubs
This is not a vote on a TA. Do you read the emails that the union sends out? We're losing 5% PS no matter what happens here. Are you saying that instead of the 8% (3%) we should take -5%? This pay increase, according to union emails, has 0 effect on negotiations. I'm not understanding your thinking...
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Old 10-18-2016 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by IrishNJ
It's a 3% increase (8-5)
Not really that cut and dry. If profit doubles next year, your 3% is actually a loss. Then again if profits tank, we have a nice insurance policy. Looks like they made a bet on profits increasing for next year.
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Old 10-18-2016 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
Not really that cut and dry. If profit doubles next year, your 3% is actually a loss. Then again if profits tank, we have a nice insurance policy. Looks like they made a bet on profits increasing for next year.
That's true. However I was replying to someone who was stating that it's 8% pay raise which it's not.

If people keep saying it's an 8% pay raise, someone might start believing that fiction.

[Though if profits double I don't see how it'd be a loss (assuming we'd get into the 20% PS range)]
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Old 10-18-2016 | 05:01 PM
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Boy some of you guys are really locked in on us having 15% profit sharing.

I considered it a one time gift.
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Old 10-18-2016 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by capt707
Rumor is 7 people from one current new hire class have quit already and left for other jobs.
These are the seven smartest guys in the class. JetBlue is actively seeking pilots with some type of blemish or incomplete resume that the majors won't hire. Those with solid backgrounds are leaving. This place is a joke and I wouldn't suggest anyone come work here. Next thing you know you'll have to do training on how to nonrev and the FA''s will write you up for not cleaning. Oh yeah, we have that now too.
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Old 10-18-2016 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Boy some of you guys are really locked in on us having 15% profit sharing.

I considered it a one time gift.
Yeah ... we should have zero.
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