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10-21-2016, 01:41 PM
#1511
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 27
Just an added note to the PS adjustment...
The LOA does make the PS contractual so they cannot change it any further until the CBA. If it gets voted down, the potential for it to change further is still at the company's discretion.
The LOA does make the PS contractual so they cannot change it any further until the CBA. If it gets voted down, the potential for it to change further is still at the company's discretion.
10-21-2016, 01:55 PM
#1512
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: E-170/175 FO
Posts: 165
I agree. Been trying forever to get a call from Blue. Got all the quals. No dice. I've been on the UA xpress side for a while and seen it from the inside out. Talk about a company that just doesn't give a $#!+. No thanks. Pays good but not everything. Wanna be happy and proud to go to work. Maybe I should start trying job fairs.
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10-21-2016, 02:23 PM
#1513
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 51
Originally Posted by cmesoar
This is the way I see it, we are NOT voting on PS on this LOA. Period. That decision was made by the company regardless of this vote. We are voting on a few extra premium days and a raise. I have faith in our NC. I believe they will present us with a fair CBA to vote on when the time comes. We can have an entire new thread to talk about it! This 8% will be a thing of the past. I'd say lets take the money and keep negotiating. My YES vote is in.
10-21-2016, 02:39 PM
#1514
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,588
Originally Posted by tmckeon79
How do we vote on this? I saw an email that said a vote was forthcoming but I must have missed the email with voting instructions.
10-21-2016, 02:59 PM
#1515
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B6
Posts: 1,047
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
AND CaptCool
We have a choice. That's this vote. We say as a group to NO/ZERO compensatory manipulation from management UNTIL we have a CBA. The Union and MEC is wrong to advise us that we should take this money. It will be a quid pro quo when the CBA and compensation is hashed out. Especially in regards to back-pay. We are essentially signing a 2017 PEA with this LOA. Just like in 2013 when we all saw the roses on the 13% raise but the bud fell off our premium trigger. Take some and you lose some.
TXBus is saying that jetblue is a joke. The Union vote was supposed to increase our relevance as a pilot group vying for A320 and Major Airline wages. This further supports the NO argument as complete solidarity against management until we have a CBA. If this LOA passes (and it will) the company knows our first TA will pass. So they'll make up a $hit sandwich and serve it up with no retro pay, no international rates, no healthcare changes and maybe a 8% no match 401k in their newly negotiated low cost Empower Financial account of their choosing. (BTW, 8% is the 5% they already match plus the 3% profit share you just lost= COST NUETRAL)
I agree that you can find a percentage of new hire pilots that would be less attractive to the Legacy carriers. But, that's their decision. I'm not sure how we resolve that situation, nor do I see it as a positive or negative game changer to the company.
ALPA has the slogan "Contract Above All". I see this LOA appeasement as a compromise to their own slogan.
-Bubs
We have a choice. That's this vote. We say as a group to NO/ZERO compensatory manipulation from management UNTIL we have a CBA. The Union and MEC is wrong to advise us that we should take this money. It will be a quid pro quo when the CBA and compensation is hashed out. Especially in regards to back-pay. We are essentially signing a 2017 PEA with this LOA. Just like in 2013 when we all saw the roses on the 13% raise but the bud fell off our premium trigger. Take some and you lose some.
TXBus is saying that jetblue is a joke. The Union vote was supposed to increase our relevance as a pilot group vying for A320 and Major Airline wages. This further supports the NO argument as complete solidarity against management until we have a CBA. If this LOA passes (and it will) the company knows our first TA will pass. So they'll make up a $hit sandwich and serve it up with no retro pay, no international rates, no healthcare changes and maybe a 8% no match 401k in their newly negotiated low cost Empower Financial account of their choosing. (BTW, 8% is the 5% they already match plus the 3% profit share you just lost= COST NUETRAL)
I agree that you can find a percentage of new hire pilots that would be less attractive to the Legacy carriers. But, that's their decision. I'm not sure how we resolve that situation, nor do I see it as a positive or negative game changer to the company.
ALPA has the slogan "Contract Above All". I see this LOA appeasement as a compromise to their own slogan.
-Bubs
I guess 14 in a row against Army on the football is not good enough either?
10-21-2016, 03:45 PM
#1516
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Originally Posted by txbusdriver
Because up until now it didn't make sense for me to leave. Top 20% in the company, less than 20 years to go....
Originally Posted by say again
Well, all legacies are in a hiring quite a bit. Now is your chance to get out and get on with a real airline, before it's too late
Don't beat the guy up for calling it how it's becoming. Dissent can be good and you should consider how your "don't rock the boat, just happy to be here" attitude is being used against you.
10-21-2016, 05:22 PM
#1517
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B6
Posts: 1,047
Originally Posted by cmesoar
This is the way I see it, we are NOT voting on PS on this LOA. Period. That decision was made by the company regardless of this vote. We are voting on a few extra premium days and a raise. I have faith in our NC. I believe they will present us with a fair CBA to vote on when the time comes. We can have an entire new thread to talk about it! This 8% will be a thing of the past. I'd say lets take the money and keep negotiating. My YES vote is in.
10-22-2016, 08:06 AM
#1518
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Pilots hired in Nov 2014 and after don't even have PEAs. We have a verbal non-binding "we will abide" by the aforementioned PEA but there's nothing in writing. They could decide to pay us $10 an hour and we have no legal recourse.
You will after this LOA passes, right?
10-22-2016, 09:21 AM
#1520
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
I'd assume those without PEAs would just receive the raise (assuming it is voted in) and wouldn't be given anything to sign.
Interesting. They will require the non-2013 PEA folks to sign the 2013 agreement to get the raise. I wonder if they will offer the same to those guys?
I think the LOA will pass easily.
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