WhiteHammer

Last I checked delta's AB320 top rate was 209. Ours is 202. They get 15% retirement from the company, we get 13. Last year our profit sharing was I think almost 16% of our wages, what was theirs I don't remember? 20% tops I bet. Please explain to me how that adds up to be 30-40%? It's definitely more, but not 30-40%.

727_Driver

The union says 2014 new hires and on will not sign the LOA.

I was in an 717 a couple of month ago by a Delta FO how great Delta is, blah blah blah and how I'm wasting my time at jetblue.

CAPT didn't say a word and just shook his head as if embarrassed by the FO.


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PasserOGas

Ok I'll bite. At year 12 Capt rates it's probably 17% on their current contract (in straight pay only.) You are counting profit sharing twice. We get 8% not 13% retirement. Also their sick/vacation/green slips/medical/retirement/disability blow ours out of the water. Any business owner will tell you they pay more in benefits than wages. So I'll assume a similar margin in benefits for them and we'll say 30% total compensation difference for year 12 captains.

In the interest of not outing myself on the forums I won't tell you where I sit. But I'm not a year 12 Capt. At my pay scale the numbers work out to 40%. For year 1 FO it's around 45%. So it definitely varies. But this is on their current contract. On the one that was leaked is much, much worse.

Softpayman

Excuse me, it's difficult fighting through the tears knowing that DL guys look down at us. Maybe you can help us all by telling us how you make it through the day....

Tell me about all the balls the DL guys have. Emerging from BK to a merger creating the first mega-carrier and having management offer a top contract to get all groups on board. The balls to endure a smart management team over at DL?

pilotpayne

The above might be one of the reasons we voted in a union.

bluepilot

Just wondering, unless you're flying a wide body at DL, they make about $5 more than we do on the a319/320. Where did u get the 30-40% numbers from. And if the 8% raise goes through, it's even less of a gap. By no means am I a juicer, I'm a committee member, but let's be realistic about the stuff we write or say. It's very offensive for u to generalize and say that we need to grow some ⚽️⚾️������. Wear your lanyard and support the group. And stay educated on what's realy going on. We do have some individuals that won't pay dues, and won't Support their fellow pilots volunteering their time to achieve a better contract for all of us, although they'll benefit from it.
Let's stay united and informed....

They do have better benefits. But that's why we voted in a union and that's why we're negotiating.
I honestly get the slight feeling that u are interested in going to DL. I believe you should. It's a great company and you won't be looked down to.

WhiteHammer

Wrong. The company puts 13% into my 401K, and I get profit sharing I am not counting it twice. They changed it remember. That 5% that use to be called profit sharing that goes into our 401K was changed, it's called something else now. It doesn't matter what it's called. The company puts a total of 13% into my 401K and I still get profit sharing. I don't know where this lie of yours started but I am getting tired of it.

Base pay 3.5%
Retirement 2%
Profit sharing 5% (maybe)

That's 10%, pretty far off from 30-40%, lol.

Guys I know there hate there insurance as much as ours. They also would rather have a vacation system like ours. In the first couple years they only get 2 vacations a year. If you don't use your PTO you can take easy 4 a year. Or you can sell it back. They actually have to call in sick to use there benefits. Slips? Come on, we all know senior FOs and captains that live in base at every airline that make out like bandits. Sure we all hear of that 1 guy that lives in Atlanta that made 250 as an FO, you think they all do that? There are senior FOs on the bus in JFK that average 140 credit a month, sell back PTO on top of it.

There pay is higher than ours, but don't fall into this propaganda that they are making 30-40% more. In a couple year groups maybe, as a whole no.

PasserOGas

You are only looking at 12 year captain. We are not all 12 year captains. I looked again at the math. It should be 17% less for 12 year captains not 30%. And around 25%-40% for FO depending on their longevity. I was doubling the difference when accounting for our sh!t benefits when it actually scales.

Also, I'm not a quitter. I'm not going to DAL. Pointing out that they make more money doesn't mean I want to start over at year 1 there. If they called when B6 did, you bet I'd be there. But I'm here now. I'm not going to throw my hands up and say "At least I have a job!", while B6 gets a discount on my labor.

Ted Striker

DAL has a DC plan and I believe it's 16%, IRS limits for 2017 $54,000. 2017 IRS 401K match limits $18,000.

Delta employee makes $225,000, DC plan company contributions at 16% = $36,000. Employee contributes 8% ($18,000) for a total of $54,000 per year only contributing 8%.

JetBue pilot making $225,000 no DC plan, contributes 8% for $18,000 with company match of $18,000 totaling $36,000.

Compound that over 20+ years and it's staggering.

*fyi this is purely my own thinking with no hard evidence backing it up, could be way off base here on how these actually work.

727_Driver

Delta contributes to a pilots 401k regardless of the pilot contributing.


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