Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

Bluejetdork gets it.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16

Yep. This pilot group needs a collective education. The price to fly a 320/737 equivalent is what it is.

You don't see JB going to the gas station and saying, "You know.....we need to maintain our cost advantage so we can only pay $.30/gallon for jet fuel."

GFY.

I wish JB pilots would stop acting like battered wives and realize what we're worth. The price of poker has gone up significantly over the last 6-9 months....don't accept anything less than our full value.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16

Yep. This pilot group needs a collective education. The price to fly a 320/737 equivalent is what it is.

You don't see JB going to the gas station and saying, "You know.....we need to maintain our cost advantage so we can only pay $.30/gallon for jet fuel."

Originally Posted by PasserOGas

You are only looking at 12 year captain. We are not all 12 year captains. I looked again at the math. It should be 17% less for 12 year captains not 30%. And around 25%-40% for FO depending on their longevity. I was doubling the difference when accounting for our sh!t benefits when it actually scales.

Also, I'm not a quitter. I'm not going to DAL. Pointing out that they make more money doesn't mean I want to start over at year 1 there. If they called when B6 did, you bet I'd be there. But I'm here now. I'm not going to throw my hands up and say "At least I have a job!", while B6 gets a discount on my labor.

Originally Posted by Rock177

He said this place has become a joke and you projected onto him that he was unhappy here and should leave.

The company's hired labor consultants specifically look to gauge the attitude of the pilot group wrt how far they can push the takeaways and what they can get away with. They are not finished implementing their wishlist of changes upon us and the attitude you display on a public message board towards your fellow pilots that 'you better be happy to be here, or leave' emboldens the company to push their changes through, and it erodes our unity in achieving our objective. An objective that you say you support.

Do you actually think a guy in the top 20% of the 5th largest major in the industry, that has to this point enjoyed a job mostly on par with the Big 4, should have to throw in the towel and go start over at the bottom in order to finally achieve the job conditions he should expect out of his career? I do not, and I trust you do not either. My feeling is that we should band together, stick in for the fight and make this place on par with the Big 4.

I don't know what your aversion is to hearing guys complain about where we are finding ourselves relative to our peers these days. I would just ask that you learn to become more tolerant of other pilot's dissenting attitudes because at the heart of it is usually a desire to improve our collective situation. Things are going to get worse before they get better and our unity is going to be put to the test before we achieve what we are looking for.

Sorry for the longwindedness...

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

Bluejetdork gets it.

Originally Posted by WhiteHammer

Last I checked delta's AB320 top rate was 209. Ours is 202. They get 15% retirement from the company, we get 13. Last year our profit sharing was I think almost 16% of our wages, what was theirs I don't remember? 20% tops I bet. Please explain to me how that adds up to be 30-40%? It's definitely more, but not 30-40%.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

Do you think it's snoopy?

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Is it Delta's new rates you are comparing or there old ones. I think after considering there new rates plus other work rules (sick time, etc...) We are probably 30-40% behind now.